Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations” | Trump demands Ukraine capitulate by Thanksgiving

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dukeman92 said:
The axis of evil is forming.
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Months ago, the French Minister of Health warned all hospitals in France to prepare for a mass casualty event, basically prepare for war in Europe. Recently, the French Chief of Defense warned about France being willing to lose its children in some kind of mass conflict. This has given me great cause for concern. Thought Trump was going to help Ukraine more when he seemed willing to give them Tomahawk missiles. Now, it seems Trump is trying to force Ukraine to take a deal that would only encourage Russia (and other powerful bad actors) to take what they want by force. Seems like Trump wants to focus on illegal/improper immigration in the US and start a conflict with Venezuela/Colombia and sit back while NATO deals with Russia. An expanded/updated Monroe Doctrine.
So I pose the question...what are the chances of Russia and NATO countries being engaged in some kind of widespread conflict in the next year?
 
IllegalMotion9999 said:
So I pose the question...what are the chances of Russia and NATO countries being engaged in some kind of widespread conflict in the next year?
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Hopefully small.
Personally I am ignorant of the politics of major European players as regards "standing up against an obvious Russian threat"
But hopefully armed conflict is out
Surely the US and Europe Could have some real sanction action-rather than just talk about it
 
IllegalMotion9999 said:
Months ago, the French Minister of Health warned all hospitals in France to prepare for a mass casualty event, basically prepare for war in Europe. Recently, the French Chief of Defense warned about France being willing to lose its children in some kind of mass conflict. This has given me great cause for concern. Thought Trump was going to help Ukraine more when he seemed willing to give them Tomahawk missiles. Now, it seems Trump is trying to force Ukraine to take a deal that would only encourage Russia (and other powerful bad actors) to take what they want by force. Seems like Trump wants to focus on illegal/improper immigration in the US and start a conflict with Venezuela/Colombia and sit back while NATO deals with Russia. An expanded/updated Monroe Doctrine.
So I pose the question...what are the chances of Russia and NATO countries being engaged in some kind of widespread conflict in the next year?
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Very low I think. Russia's military is pretty spent going a fifth of the way across Ukraine. I can't imagine there is any appetite to start a new war against NATO.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Very low I think. Russia's military is pretty spent going a fifth of the way across Ukraine. I can't imagine there is any appetite to start a new war against NATO.
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Russia's military is in fact getting larger, more efficient, better trained and more effective since they invaded Ukraine. They aren't going to go head to head against NATO anyway. They will continue asymmetric operations in their former satellites, but they aren't pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. They don't have to.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Very low I think. Russia's military is pretty spent going a fifth of the way across Ukraine. I can't imagine there is any appetite to start a new war against NATO.
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Well you are answering The Russia will start it part
What if europe just can't put up with the trump approved Russian takeover of Ukraine?
 
Capitulating now on Ukraine will embolden Putin to push further. Moldova, the Baltics, they’re all in his vision of restoring the Russian empire. This does not end with Ukraine if Trump gives the farm away.
 
Batt Boy said:
Russia's military is in fact getting larger, more efficient, better trained and more effective since they invaded Ukraine. They aren't going to go head to head against NATO anyway. They will continue asymmetric operations in their former satellites, but they aren't pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. They don't have to.
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WOW! A "Fulda Gap" sighting. The only thing my unit in the Army practiced the entire time I was in the Army was getting to the Fulda Gap before the Russians did and to retreat slowly enough to allow reinforcement to arrive from elsewhere.
 
05C40 said:
WOW! A "Fulda Gap" sighting. The only thing my unit in the Army practiced the entire time I was in the Army was getting to the Fulda Gap before the Russians did and to retreat slowly enough to allow reinforcement to arrive from elsewhere.
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I think we have discussed it before. Fewer and fewer folks even know about it, but the 11th ACR was essentially a tripwire - hold for 10+ minutes to allow NATO to act. The AH-64s had one job - kills tanks until you die. Interestingly, I went up to Fulda last summer. Because I spent so much time in Wurzburg, I go back often and last summer we just decided to take the ICE up for the day. Nice trip.
 
Batt Boy said:
Russia's military is in fact getting larger, more efficient, better trained and more effective since they invaded Ukraine. They aren't going to go head to head against NATO anyway. They will continue asymmetric operations in their former satellites, but they aren't pouring through the Fulda Gap anytime soon. They don't have to.
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I think effectiveness is better but I'm not sure it's really up to Western standards. Too much corruption and an outdated command and cont. Certainly they are getting more experience and they're getting more personnel, but their equipment and other armaments are not as easily replaced. Germany's army at the end of 1918 and 1945 were very experienced as well.
 
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