Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Purple Nurple said:
Your insults make you look like a simpleton. Congratulations for rising to the occasion!
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Your mistake is believing that I care about anything other than responding in kind to someone who has been following me around begging for my attention, insulting me when I haven’t said anything to him in the first place, and even talking shit about me in posts where I’m not even part of the conversation. I quite literally could not care less whether you are amused or un amused by my insults, because they are not directed at you or anyone else. They have an audience of one. They’re not intended to be clever, they’re not intended to be funny. They’re intended to humiliate the one person to whom they are directed, and they clearly work, because he clearly has a singular erection for me and only me.

I’m glad that he has you to cape up for him though. He was completely out of gas. You are such a big strong hero for coming to the rescue of the damsel in distress!
 
CFordUNC said:
I have literally never denied that I am willing to be a prolific shit talker when someone talks trash to me first. I have always maintained that I will not engage in shit talking or insults proactively. I have never, in all of my time on this board, acted like I’m above fighting fire with fire. Anyone who doesn’t like that is free to use the ignore button- or kick me out of the community. This particular poster has a particular hard-on for me like nobody else- I have received DMs from multiple posters asking what the hell the deal is with him and if I know him in real life. I do not. He follows me around insulting me like he does to nobody else, even though I quite literally never preemptively engage with his posts. So, yeah, I’m going to be an asshole to someone who wants to be an asshole to me. I’m not sorry about it.
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I was more commenting on the ease with which shit talking like that comes to you. It would take me half an hour to craft your rants. Which isn't to say that I don't have my own rants, but they are different.

I don't want to lose perspective here. I invoked the concept of "the ease with which it comes" for a reason -- there are other things that sometimes Southern white men utter that spur similar responses, and I'm very glad you don't and I very much doubt you do in real life or anywhere else. If your weakness is shit talking when provoked -- well, there are worse weaknesses to have, that's for sure.

Still, it's a bit jarring for me. Maybe it's just style rather than substance.
 
CFordUNC said:
Your mistake is believing that I care about anything other than responding in kind to someone who has been following me around begging for my attention, insulting me when I haven’t said anything to him in the first place, and even talking shit about me in posts where I’m not even part of the conversation. I quite literally could not care less whether you are amused or un amused by my insults, because they are not directed at you or anyone else. They have an audience of one. They’re not intended to be clever, they’re not intended to be funny. They’re intended to humiliate the one person to whom they are directed, and they clearly work, because he clearly has a singular erection for me and only me.

I’m glad that he has you to cape up for him though. He was completely out of gas. You are such a big strong hero for coming to the rescue of the damsel in distress!
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Sigh. Your posts humiliate yourself. You have been dragged down into the mud and decided to wear it as war paint, as you thump your chest and yell at the sky.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Sigh. Your posts humiliate yourself. You have been dragged down into the mud and decided to wear it as war paint, as you thump your chest and yell at the sky.
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Stop it, chief. I’m telling you one more time to not involve yourself. It had nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with any other poster on this board except for the one single person who has been following me around talking shit to me. That poster has a choice every single time he types out a post in my direction, to stop his shit. I repeatedly told him I don’t care about him, I don’t care to engage him, but I’m going to respond every single time he insults me. If you don’t like that, or if anyone else doesn’t like it, feel free to put me on ignore or boot me from the community. Doesn’t matter to me either way. But I’m telling you for the last time, mind your own damn business. I’m not responding to you any further, just like I’m not responding to the other poster any further until or unless he decides he wants more.

To everyone else, I sincerely apologize for my part in derailing this thread and will make this my last non-Ukraine war related post. I sincerely apologize to every single poster, except for one, for the lewdness in my posts. I grew up with 62 first cousins, 41 of whom (thanks super!) are male, and I’ve spent a whole lot of time in my life on sports teams and in locker rooms where the shit talk flows freely. I am certain that because I’m pretty immune to course language, I’ve gotten carried away with crassness here on this thread, and for that I apologize and will aim to be better. I will try to remember that not everyone has the same tolerance or threshold for trash talking as I do. It’s what makes every single one of y’all, again except for one, better human beings than me in every single way.
 
CFordUNC said:
Stop it, chief. I’m telling you one more time to not involve yourself. It had nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with any other poster on this board except for the one single person who has been following me around talking shit to me. That poster has a choice every single time he types out a post in my direction, to stop his shit. I repeatedly told him I don’t care about him, I don’t care to engage him, but I’m going to respond every single time he insults me. If you don’t like that, or if anyone else doesn’t like it, feel free to put me on ignore or boot me from the community. Doesn’t matter to me either way. But I’m telling you for the last time, mind your damn own business. I’m not responding to you any further, just like I’m not responding to the other poster any further until or unless he decides he wants more.

To everyone else, I sincerely apologize for my part in derailing this thread and will make this my last non-Ukraine war related post. I sincerely apologize to every single poster, except for one, for the lewdness in my posts. I grew up with 62 first cousins, 41 of which are male, and I’ve spent a whole lot of time in my life on sports teams and in locker rooms where the shit talk flows freely. I am certain that because I’m pretty immune to course language, I’ve gotten carried away with crassness here on this thread, and for that I apologize and will aim to be better.
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You're telling me one more time? Or what? lol

You have been a well respected poster on this site. I was trying to let you know you look like a fool tonight. Do with that what you will.
 
Callatoroy said:
Criticism and condemnation means nothing. Russia invaded. The US through its actions appeased russia and russia holds that territory today. We did nothing to deter russia from invading the 2nd time. That is fact. I don't know for sure what trump is proposing but my guess is russia keeps territorial gains and no nato membership for ukraine. However, ukraine would keep 4/5ths of its territory. What if putin refuses to withdraw from ukraine and give up the territory it gained? What is the response given ukraine is running out of manpower?

Trump already knows putin wants to strike a deal. Its Zel who isn't ready for an immediate ceasefire to carry out negotiations so trump is strongarming him as you put it. Its the only way to get Zel to the table immediately.
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I think Ukraine gets to decide when they want a ceasefire, not Donald Trump. We need to continue to arm them as long as they are willing to fight, and we need to remove some of the constraints Biden put on Ukraine. Give them the missiles and allow them to attack inside Russia to let them take the war to Putin. Get Ukraine out of the WWI meat grinder we have kept them stuck in. Force Putin to defend Russia and put domestic pressure on him at home.
 
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finesse said:
That's not for us to decide. It's bad for us to stab them in the back while aiding Russia. If Russia ends up with more ,let them give blood for every inch of it the Ukraine is willing to fight for.
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Well you are correct in that they can decide if they want to continue on their own, but it’s our decision if we continue to throw money at a losing situation. Just no way to win this now.
 
farce© said:
I think Ukraine gets to decide when they want a ceasefire, not Donald Trump. We need to continue to arm them as long as they are willing to fight, and we need to remove some of the constraints Biden put on Ukraine. Give them the missiles and allow them to attack in Russia let them take the war to Putin. Get Ukraine out of the WWI meat grinder we have kept them stuck in. Force Putin to defend Russia and put domestic pressure on him at home.
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I agree with this. The best solution, and the one which almost every single other presidential administration in U.S. history, Republican or Democrat- would have chosen- is to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to purge the invading Russians from its land. The current problem, and one that predates this current administration to be fair, is that the U.S. and Europe have trickled in enough support to maintain a standstill- enough to keep the Ukrainians from being overrun but not enough to make any meaningful gains or expel the invaders. Our best solution- and by 'our' I mean the U.S. AND Europe's- would be to turn on the spigot full blast for the next 6, 9, 12 months or whatever it would take, with essentially a blank check of weaponry, equipment, and intelligence support.

Ukraine's biggest needs are artillery, air defense, and minesweeping equipment. Providing that, alone, in droves would essentially ensure a stalemate at worst, IMO, and would keep Russia bogged down in a war that it can't outright win. Putin can't live forever, and in fact the longer that this 3-day-turned-3-year-and-counting special operation continues, and the more that Russia loses equipment, manpower, and treasure, the more likely that Putin is forced to sue for peace on terms that are much more amenable to Ukraine.
 
CFordUNC said:
Stop it, chief. I’m telling you one more time to not involve yourself. It had nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with any other poster on this board except for the one single person who has been following me around talking shit to me. That poster has a choice every single time he types out a post in my direction, to stop his shit. I repeatedly told him I don’t care about him, I don’t care to engage him, but I’m going to respond every single time he insults me. If you don’t like that, or if anyone else doesn’t like it, feel free to put me on ignore or boot me from the community. Doesn’t matter to me either way. But I’m telling you for the last time, mind your own damn business. I’m not responding to you any further, just like I’m not responding to the other poster any further until or unless he decides he wants more.

To everyone else, I sincerely apologize for my part in derailing this thread and will make this my last non-Ukraine war related post. I sincerely apologize to every single poster, except for one, for the lewdness in my posts. I grew up with 62 first cousins, 41 of whom (thanks super!) are male, and I’ve spent a whole lot of time in my life on sports teams and in locker rooms where the shit talk flows freely. I am certain that because I’m pretty immune to course language, I’ve gotten carried away with crassness here on this thread, and for that I apologize and will aim to be better. I will try to remember that not everyone has the same tolerance or threshold for trash talking as I do. It’s what makes every single one of y’all, again except for one, better human beings than me in every single way.
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62 first cousins…dang. I have 27 and I thought that was a lot. Most live in or around Rockingham and Darlington SC.
 
CFordUNC said:
I agree with this. The best solution, and the one which almost every single other presidential administration in U.S. history, Republican or Democrat- would have chosen- is to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to purge the invading Russians from its land. The current problem, and one that predates this current administration to be fair, is that the U.S. and Europe have trickled in enough support to maintain a standstill- enough to keep the Ukrainians from being overrun but not enough to make any meaningful gains or expel the invaders. Our best solution- and by 'our' I mean the U.S. AND Europe's- would be to turn on the spigot full blast for the next 6, 9, 12 months or whatever it would take, with essentially a blank check of weaponry, equipment, and intelligence support.

Ukraine's biggest needs are artillery, air defense, and minesweeping equipment. Providing that, alone, in droves would essentially ensure a stalemate at worst, IMO, and would keep Russia bogged down in a war that it can't outright win. Putin can't live forever, and in fact the longer that this 3-day-turned-3-year-and-counting special operation continues, and the more that Russia loses equipment, manpower, and treasure, the more likely that Putin is forced to sue for peace on terms that are much more amenable to Ukraine.
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I will, say, though, that having said the above, I do recognize that it is important for both the United States and Europe to have a clear-cut attainable objective when it comes to supporting Ukraine, and not just indiscriminately provide weapons, equipment, and money indefinitely. To me, that clear-cut objective should be to ensure that the vast majority of Ukraine remains free, and that Russia is militarily kneecapped. As much as in a perfect world I'd like to see us and the rest of the world provide limitless aid and weaponry to Ukraine that would enable them to forcibly expel Russia from every square inch of Ukraine, I also know that it's not realistic. I think what *is* more realistic is that Ukraine can continue to be plied with Western weapons, munitions, and supplies for a long enough period of time such that continuing the war effort in which they aren't making any gains becomes untenable for Putin. It hasn't happened yet, but it's inevitable that at some point it will. I think it would be a mistake for the U.S. and the West to be the first to blink. Because Ukraine does not expect any agreement to be honored by Russia, and because they simply expect to be attacked *later* if they strike a deal now, the only way to end the threat, IMO, is to let Russia exhaust its resources.
 
farce© said:
I think Ukraine gets to decide when they want a ceasefire, not Donald Trump. We need to continue to arm them as long as they are willing to fight, and we need to remove some of the constraints Biden put on Ukraine. Give them the missiles and allow them to attack in Russia let them take the war to Putin. Get Ukraine out of the WWI meat grinder we have kept them stuck in. Force Putin to defend Russia and put domestic pressure on him at home.
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And trump gets to decide if he keeps arming them. If he perceives it’s a lost cause as he apparently has he can and is using that as leverage to get to a ceasefire. Continuing the status quo is a losing play for us and Ukraine. From your comment I’m guessing you agree. I’m for ending it quickly before Ukraine loses any more territory. But, if we are going to arm them then it needs to be without restrictions which might result in some unwanted consequences.
 
Callatoroy said:
And trump gets to decide if he keeps arming them. If he perceives it’s a lost cause as he apparently has he can and is using that as leverage to get to a ceasefire. Continuing the status quo is a losing play for us and Ukraine. From your comment I’m guessing you agree. I’m for ending it quickly before Ukraine loses any more territory. But, if we are going to arm them then it needs to be without restrictions which might result in some unwanted consequences.
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It might, but Ukraine should make that decision and we should support them accordingly. Trump pulling the rug out from under them is a mistake. His unwillingness to point the blame entirely at Putin is unconscionable.
 
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