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Never thought I'd see the day when liberals were pro-war. I swear, you guys are starting to sound like warmongers. No Europe does not clearly agree. The Brits are talking about sending in peacekeepers. That doesn't sound like a war without end philosophy.The territories Russia illegally “annexed” and occupied in 2022 are about 20% of Ukraine’s total land, not even counting Crimea, which Putin annexed (also illegally) in 2014. Allowing Putin to keep this land will only encourage him to come for more once his forces are restocked. Which wouldn't take as long as many of you think... especially if the United States plays a role in lifting sanctions on Russia. And if Trump is allowed to continue, the United States will not be in position to help Ukraine when he returns.
IMHO, there is no concession on land. Russia needs to GTFO of Ukraine. There is no concession on NATO. Russia doesn't decide who joins NATO.
Russia's economy is in TROUBLE. Now is not the time to cow tail to Russia. The United States needs to ramp up their efforts to supply Zelensky and prepare to back the Ukraine for as long as they wish to fight for their country. Europe CLEARY agrees. We should stand with our allies.
Surely there has to be a middle ground between complete Trump-like capitulation and an unrealistic insistence that there can be no peace until Russia leaves. Ironically, your approach would let Russia determine when the fighting ends, which means that if Putin wants to throw men into a meat grinder because he doesn't give a shit about human life, we would have to follow suit. Play defense. No more gains for Putin. Security guarantees. Etc. Insisting on unrealism is just loco.