Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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1moretimeagain said:
I wonder the same thing, and do you launch a $5 million missile at a $500 drone?
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From a national security perspective, the news that concerns me the most these days are the reports that we are not taking the drone threat seriously. Warfare has changed overnight, just as it did when gunpowder was harnessed and machine guns were developed. There will never again be a "conventional" war. We have entered the age of drone and cyber warfare, and if we're not leading that charge, we're sitting ducks.
 
lawtig02 said:
From a national security perspective, the news that concerns me the most these days are the reports that we are not taking the drone threat seriously. Warfare has changed overnight, just as it did when gunpowder was harnessed and machine guns were developed. There will never again be a "conventional" war. We have entered the age of drone and cyber warfare, and if we're not leading that charge, we're sitting ducks.
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For a few years now, there have been reports of China buying land near American bases here in the United States. Perhaps they were doing that for spy purposes, but I am sure they are thinking about the drone potential.
 
About half of Russia's Shahed drones are actually decoys designed to map and exhaust Ukraine's air defenses. Only a small percentage of Shaheds are actually hitting anything but they do get publicized when they do. According to recent reports, Ukraine is actually having good luck taking them out with a new, cheap drone.

But, Ukraine is handing Russia significant punishment with its own drone strikes within Russia. Those don't get near the publicity now because Russia is cracking down on picture taking of the damage.
 
So the Russian stock market went up by 3 percent yesterday. A relief rally that the rumors were wrong about Trump really turning on them I suppose.
 

After Trump Deal, Ukraine’s Fortunes Hinge on How Fast NATO Can Deliver Arms​

President’s agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv is milestone in three-year-old war​


Gift —> https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/uk...8?st=ktxiCD&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… The promised buildup in Ukraine’s defenses, announced Monday at the White House by Trump and North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary-General Mark Rutte, depends on getting enough Patriots into the country quickly, and in the long run stepping up the West’s production of interceptors for shooting down Russian drones and ballistic missiles, analysts said.

“The Russian tactic is to get the Ukrainians to waste all their existing air-defense stocks and leave them exposed to a late summer or fall offensive,” said Celeste Wallander, who was a senior Pentagon official in the Biden administration. “If this is going to change Putin’s calculation on whether he will win, substantial deliveries would have to be carried out through the summer.”

Trump’s decision is still a milestone. His agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv marks the first time the White House has agreed to furnish weapons for Ukraine that go beyond the deliveries former President Joe Biden set in motion before leaving office.…”
 
nycfan said:

After Trump Deal, Ukraine’s Fortunes Hinge on How Fast NATO Can Deliver Arms​

President’s agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv is milestone in three-year-old war​


Gift —> https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/uk...8?st=ktxiCD&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… The promised buildup in Ukraine’s defenses, announced Monday at the White House by Trump and North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary-General Mark Rutte, depends on getting enough Patriots into the country quickly, and in the long run stepping up the West’s production of interceptors for shooting down Russian drones and ballistic missiles, analysts said.

“The Russian tactic is to get the Ukrainians to waste all their existing air-defense stocks and leave them exposed to a late summer or fall offensive,” said Celeste Wallander, who was a senior Pentagon official in the Biden administration. “If this is going to change Putin’s calculation on whether he will win, substantial deliveries would have to be carried out through the summer.”

Trump’s decision is still a milestone. His agreement to sell advanced arms to European allies so they can pass them to Kyiv marks the first time the White House has agreed to furnish weapons for Ukraine that go beyond the deliveries former President Joe Biden set in motion before leaving office.…”
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“… The ability of the U.S. and allies to provide air defenses to Ukraine, particularly against the growing threat of ballistic missiles, is limited not just by the cost of the Patriot systems but also by the West’s limited production capacity.

“Glass half full: Trump is giving Putin the real deadline of 50 days with a clear consequence if he doesn’t move to a cease-fire. Glass half empty: 50 days is very far away when Ukraine is being hit by 700 drones a night,” said Kristine Berzina of the German Marshall Fund think tank.

“If Europeans send their existing Patriots to Ukraine and use the new supplies from the U.S. to backfill, then it will matter. But if Germany and others wait for new Patriot systems before sending more to Ukraine, the help will seem far too late,” Berzina said….”

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But sending Ukraine Patriots that the Europeans have in hand now creates a risk of being double-crossed by Trump refusing to supply the replacements later.
 

A Day After Trump Promises New Arms for Ukraine, He Warns Kyiv Against Striking Moscow​

His comments come less than two weeks after he asked if Kyiv was able to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg; White House says it was merely a question​


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“… Trump’s call for Ukraine to avoid hitting Moscow continued his pattern of swinging from pressure on one side to the other to end the war and underscored the uncertainties about his strategy.

Earlier this month, he counseled Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to take the war to Russia and asked whether Kyiv was able to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg, according to a senior Ukrainian official familiar with the exchange.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Tuesday offered a different interpretation of the call between the two leaders on July 4. Asked about it, Leavitt said Trump “was merely asking a question, not encouraging further killing.” She said he was “working tirelessly” to stop the war.

… The Ukrainian official familiar with the call said Zelensky suggested to the U.S. president during the conversation that Ukraine needed long-range precision American weapons, the sort that would make strikes inside Russia more damaging.

The official added that Trump’s specific style of communication often makes it hard to understand exactly what he means, so “everyone hears what they want to hear.”…”
 
superrific said:
Putin did fool Bush. Obama and Biden? LOL.
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Obama may have wised up by the end, but his debate with Romney ("the 80's called..." and his hot mic moment with Medvedev ('tell Vladimir I will have more leeway after the election') were not shining moments.

Obviously not in ballpark of Trump's subservience to Putin, but nothing to brag about either, imo...
 
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