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Ukraine and Europe Counter Putin’s Cease-Fire Proposal​

European powers and Kyiv presented their own blueprint for ending the war in Ukraine, after Putin demanded territorial concessions and Trump said he’d meet with the Russian leader next week​


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“… Crucially, the European plan, which was presented to Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Trump’s Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg and Witkoff, also stipulates that any territorial concession by Kyiv must be safeguarded by ironclad security guarantees—including potential NATO membership for Ukraine.

… Russia has been on the offensive for more than two years, and in that time conquered less than 1% of Ukrainian territory, much of it in the Donetsk region, while losing hundreds of thousands of troops in pitched fighting dominated by brutal drone warfare.

Embroiled in battles for the towns of Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar since early last year, the Russian army is unlikely to seize the heavily fortified agglomerations of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the north of the Donetsk region anytime soon, according to most military analysts.

Handing over this strategic terrain, home to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, in exchange for a cease-fire would mean that Putin, who has broken multiple cease-fires in the past, would be getting a windfall in exchange for giving nothing, said European officials from three countries involved in the talks….”
 
nycfan said:

Ukraine and Europe Counter Putin’s Cease-Fire Proposal​

European powers and Kyiv presented their own blueprint for ending the war in Ukraine, after Putin demanded territorial concessions and Trump said he’d meet with the Russian leader next week​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-a...c?st=UstTsK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Crucially, the European plan, which was presented to Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Trump’s Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg and Witkoff, also stipulates that any territorial concession by Kyiv must be safeguarded by ironclad security guarantees—including potential NATO membership for Ukraine.

… Russia has been on the offensive for more than two years, and in that time conquered less than 1% of Ukrainian territory, much of it in the Donetsk region, while losing hundreds of thousands of troops in pitched fighting dominated by brutal drone warfare.

Embroiled in battles for the towns of Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar since early last year, the Russian army is unlikely to seize the heavily fortified agglomerations of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the north of the Donetsk region anytime soon, according to most military analysts.

Handing over this strategic terrain, home to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, in exchange for a cease-fire would mean that Putin, who has broken multiple cease-fires in the past, would be getting a windfall in exchange for giving nothing, said European officials from three countries involved in the talks….”
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“… The European counterproposal comes after a week of frantic diplomacy triggered by Putin’s overture to Witkoff. Hours after the two men met at the Kremlin, Trump summoned a call with select European leaders and Zelensky to brief them on the proposal.

On the call, Trump suggested that Russia would be ready to withdraw from the southern region of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in exchange for full control of Donetsk, according to European officials from three countries familiar with that conversation and two subsequent calls.

However, Witkoff walked back that claim the next day in a call with the chief aides of European leaders, suggesting that Russia would both withdraw and freeze the front line.

On Friday, European officials demanded a third call with Witkoff to clarify the confusion about what Putin had proposed. In that call, Witkoff said that the only offer on the table was for Ukraine to withdraw unilaterally from Donetsk in exchange for a cease-fire. That proposal was rejected by both Zelensky and European officials involved in the talks.”

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Witkoff is incompetent…
 

nycfan said:
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“… The European counterproposal comes after a week of frantic diplomacy triggered by Putin’s overture to Witkoff. Hours after the two men met at the Kremlin, Trump summoned a call with select European leaders and Zelensky to brief them on the proposal.

On the call, Trump suggested that Russia would be ready to withdraw from the southern region of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in exchange for full control of Donetsk, according to European officials from three countries familiar with that conversation and two subsequent calls.

However, Witkoff walked back that claim the next day in a call with the chief aides of European leaders, suggesting that Russia would both withdraw and freeze the front line.

On Friday, European officials demanded a third call with Witkoff to clarify the confusion about what Putin had proposed. In that call, Witkoff said that the only offer on the table was for Ukraine to withdraw unilaterally from Donetsk in exchange for a cease-fire. That proposal was rejected by both Zelensky and European officials involved in the talks.”

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Witkoff is incompetent…
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Trumps gonna be washing some balls here shortly, and not on the golf course. Just insert Putin in Satans place if you know what I’m saying.
 
I really thought Trump might have been turning a corner on Putin a couple of weeks ago. Oh well. Guess he was reminded of the kompromat.
 
lawtig02 said:
I really thought Trump might have been turning a corner on Putin a couple of weeks ago. Oh well. Guess he was reminded of the kompromat.
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Nah, Trump threatened sanctions because he's desperate for a Putin meeting. The real purpose of this meeting won't be clear for awhile and may not even relate to the war.

The interesting thing is, that a meeting shows that Putin is weakened. There is no way he would be going to this meeting if he thought he had a realistic chance of grabbing more of Ukraine on his own.
 
Is anyone worried like I am that Trump may allow Putin to annex Alaska as an incentive to end Russia's war on Ukraine so he can be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and feel like he is as good as Obama ?
 
nycfan said:
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It is problematic to have Putin in the United States, and on top of that It is more than a bit tone deaf to have this meeting in Alaska as Russian media trolls have been agitating to take back Alaska …







 




“… “In addition, there seem to be disagreements between Witkoff & Rubio regarding Europe's role. Rubio emphasized that Europeans should be involved in the negotiation process, while Vance & Witkoff only wanted to inform Europe about the results of Trump's further steps," Bild adds.“
 
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