Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Calheel said:
Is this better or worse than giving it to Jared Kushner?

Vance and Zelenskyy seem like they get along very well.
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What about his Secreatry of State ?
Guess he can't carry Hillarys gymbag?
 
At what point will y’all learn that if you keep letting the stupidest and most dishonest motherfuckers on this board drive the discussion, all you’re gonna keep getting are discussions built on idiocy and lies?

Not only will some of you play chess against a fucking pigeon and complain when he shits on the board, you’ll go back day after day expecting that he’ll have miraculously learned the game overnight.
 
SnoopRob said:
At what point will y’all learn that if you keep letting the stupidest and most dishonest motherfuckers on this board drive the discussion, all you’re gonna keep getting are discussions built on idiocy and lies?

Not only will some of you play chess against a fucking pigeon and complain when he shits on the board, you’ll go back day after day expecting that he’ll have miraculously learned the game overnight.
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I am so damn guilty of every word of this, yet reading it said this way was extremely amusing.
 
Ramrouser said:
Clip wasn’t posted I rewatched the segment:

Molly: “It crushed some norms having Putin walk across that red carpet as Trump clapped

Maher: “oh come on, are we really going to go there, this bull shit…Obama wore a tan suit and saluted with his coffee in his hand… who gives a shit.

Kirn: Body language puts lie to notion that Trump is Putin’s stooge. Then mentioned Putin half Trump’s size and looks like his caddy while smiling nervously.

I didn’t get my information from third party sources and the only thing I got wrong was that it was a guest on Maher’s show, not Maher, who made the comment about the body language (my mistake). But Maher doesn’t disagree with him and makes numerous positive comments about Trump and the peace negotiations.
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You still aren’t addressing this part, among others.

 
I feel like this could be a fun complete the sentence game.

"Trump doesn't like war because..."

Trump doesn't like war because he doesn't own any military supply companies.
 
Word is that Trump contacted his buddy Victor Orban and asked Orban to support Ukrainian efforts to join the EU.

If legitimate, I’d give Trump credit for this. But at the moment it seems like some sort of subterfuge.

thehill.com

Trump called Orbán to win his support for Ukraine joining EU: Report

Related video: Trump Suggests US Planes, Pilots Could Support Ukraine As Part Of Security Guarantees President Trump called Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán on Monday to win his support for Uk…
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EyeballKid said:
Word is that Trump contacted his buddy Victor Orban and asked Orban to support Ukrainian efforts to join the EU.

If legitimate, I’d give Trump credit for this. But at the moment it seems like some sort of subterfuge.

thehill.com

Trump called Orbán to win his support for Ukraine joining EU: Report

Related video: Trump Suggests US Planes, Pilots Could Support Ukraine As Part Of Security Guarantees President Trump called Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán on Monday to win his support for Uk…
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Would be an interesting result. The other EU members not in NATO to date have not been in NATO of their own accord (because of their neutrality requirements). Two of those (Finland and Sweden) changed their minds about that because of Russian aggression in Ukraine and elsewhere, leaving Malta, Ireland, Austria and Cyprus, I think. Maybe Cyprus is closest to what an Ukraine EU/No NATO model would be (?)

[There are six or seven European countries in NATO but not the EU, though several of those have EU membership applications pending]
 
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No one should jump to conclusions but this certainly would be a massive provocation if it was a Russian drone and was also intentional.



 


“… they [Ukraine] should of been clear that the want to maintain a friendly relationship with Russia, that they’re not posing a threat to Russia and that they would never let Europeans or Americans pose a threat to Russia.

Russia feels uh threatened by a lot of things, including the internal domestic affairs of Ukraine, so uh eastern Ukraine, the Donbas … are heavily Russian speaking, they wanna maintain Russian culture and a friendly relationship of mine from there said hey it’s a lot like maybe for an American if you think of Quebec maybe they want to speak French, they want this French culture and heritage recognized, their content to be part of Canada but uh until you come in and say well you can’t speak French anymore and we’re not gonna recognize that and we’re gonna purge every reference to what you view as your culture, that’s the kinda of things that were going on in the internal affairs of Ukraine that Russia continued to try to address with Ukraine.

That’s not an excuse for the invasion or war uh but you know there was no diplomacy that was de—escalatory, in fact everything was escalatory. And so look if you go back to uh uh you know maybe maybe some days in uh imagine a bar everybody might be a little loud and mouthy until the defensive end guy stands up and he’s you know six-five about 280 and clearly really fit and every time I e even that happen somebody gets really diplomatic really quick and I think that’s what President Trump’s talking about. You didn’t give enough weight to diplomacy.”

Ohio GOP member of U.S. Congress
 
nycfan said:


“… they [Ukraine] should of been clear that the want to maintain a friendly relationship with Russia, that they’re not posing a threat to Russia and that they would never let Europeans or Americans pose a threat to Russia.

Russia feels uh threatened by a lot of things, including the internal domestic affairs of Ukraine, so uh eastern Ukraine, the Donbas … are heavily Russian speaking, they wanna maintain Russian culture and a friendly relationship of mine from there said hey it’s a lot like maybe for an American if you think of Quebec maybe they want to speak French, they want this French culture and heritage recognized, their content to be part of Canada but uh until you come in and say well you can’t speak French anymore and we’re not gonna recognize that and we’re gonna purge every reference to what you view as your culture, that’s the kinda of things that were going on in the internal affairs of Ukraine that Russia continued to try to address with Ukraine.

That’s not an excuse for the invasion or war uh but you know there was no diplomacy that was de—escalatory, in fact everything was escalatory. And so look if you go back to uh uh you know maybe maybe some days in uh imagine a bar everybody might be a little loud and mouthy until the defensive end guy stands up and he’s you know six-five about 280 and clearly really fit and every time I e even that happen somebody gets really diplomatic really quick and I think that’s what President Trump’s talking about. You didn’t give enough weight to diplomacy.”

Ohio GOP member of U.S. Congress
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The Ukrainian Constitution has Ukrainian as the official language but guarantees right to use other languages. But Ukraine did designate Ukrainian as the sole language for public education. Davidson is spouting a lot of Russian propaganda in this interview.
 
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