Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

[korgguy1971]

Missed this yesterday, which emphasizes how disingenuous his post today about Russian Sanctions if NATO “does as I say” really is:

Not to mention it's enforcing and advancing the talking point that it is Ukraine who is the aggressor against Russia

 

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[Bobfripp]

What else would one expect from President Quid Pro Quo?

 

[Bobfripp]

Zelenskyy has every reason to hate Putin. Putin has no reason to hate Zelenskyy, instead he's just a tyrant who is trying expand his empire at the expense of the Ukrainian people. Trump doesn't see the difference.

 

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[Zoo_View]

What a dork!

 

[uncmba]

The Ukrainians are building an enormous stockpile of Flamingo cruise missiles that can penetrate deep into Russia. That might be why the Russians want their S400’s back.

 

[BlueSmoke]

It strikes me that both countries have almost the same war plan. Putin plans to fight on until his economy or military can't. Ukraine plans to fight on until Russia takes every last bit of Ukraine.

 

[EyeballKid]

It strikes me that both countries have almost the same war plan. Putin plans to fight on until his economy or military can't. Ukraine plans to fight on until Russia takes every last bit of Ukraine.

My guess is Ukraine figures that the rest of the democratic world will assist them against the onslaught of Russian aggression.

Up until Republican obeisance to Putin and to Trump’s brand of “isolationism”, Ukrainians would have been pretty well grounded in that assumption.

 

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[mpaer]

Such a wussy playing tough guy

 

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[korgguy1971]

Such a wussy playing tough guy

This is a good summation of his entire existence in any capacity.

 

[korgguy1971]

No one's been tougher on Russia than Trump. No one.

 

[BlueSmoke]

My dream, is that Putin is run out of power, Russia's army collapses , Ukraine is victorious.........all while Trump is President, and then see him try to explain that it wouldn't have happened if not for him. And then see him go thru a major mental crisis.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

It strikes me that both countries have almost the same war plan. Putin plans to fight on until his economy or military can't. Ukraine plans to fight on until Russia takes every last bit of Ukraine.

I don't think Putin wants to annex Ukraine Soviet Union style. He wants to annex certain pieces of Ukraine that have an awful lot of ethnic Russians in them and then he would like to make Ukraine a puppet state like Belarus to buffer against the West.

I think what Zelinsky is hoping for is that he can draw the war out long enough for a more favorable political environment in the US and Western Europe that provides more material support to push back against Russia and recapture the land it's lost plus a little more. But that's a long time away. I think what he would love is NATO troops in Ukraine but it's not going to happen.

I think what Russia will accept and what will eventually happen is that Russia annexes certain pieces of Ukraine that have an awful lot of ethnic Russians but maybe not quite as many pieces as they would like and that Ukraine stays somewhat neutral between the west and Russia. That second part is really difficult to guarantee in a democracy as most of the people left in Ukraine would almost certainly prefer a closer relationship with the west. Even if a treaty is signed to remain neutral, there will be a lot of political pressure to start aligning with the west.

 

[BlueSmoke]

I don't think Putin wants to annex Ukraine Soviet Union style. He wants to annex certain pieces of Ukraine that have an awful lot of ethnic Russians in them and then he would like to make Ukraine a puppet state like Belarus to buffer against the West.

I think what Zelinsky is hoping for is that he can draw the war out long enough for a more favorable political environment in the US and Western Europe that provides more material support to push back against Russia and recapture the land it's lost plus a little more. But that's a long time away. I think what he would love is NATO troops in Ukraine but it's not going to happen.

I think what Russia will accept and what will eventually happen is that Russia annexes certain pieces of Ukraine that have an awful lot of ethnic Russians but maybe not quite as many pieces as they would like and that Ukraine stays somewhat neutral between the west and Russia. That second part is really difficult to guarantee in a democracy as most of the people left in Ukraine would almost certainly prefer a closer relationship with the west. Even if a treaty is signed to remain neutral, there will be a lot of political pressure to start aligning with the west.

Life means so little to Putin and Russia, so I doubt the inclusion of ethnic Russians has anything to do with it. Its just a propaganda excuse that the Russian state has used for hundreds of years.

Land, well Russia already has plenty of that which expands over 11 time zones. Now I do buy that Putin would like an Ukrainian puppet state and he's willing to fight on as long as his military or economy allows it to get an outcome like that.