Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

[nycfan]

 

[ZZLPHeels]

How does anyone think Ukraine is getting its land back? After three years of trench warfare they can’t move the Russians back. Ukraine is running out of manpower and simply can’t win a war of attrition against Russia. Sure, Ukraine is making Russia pay a high price, but the Russians have never cared about sending troops into meat grinders.

I don’t see any other counties (Including US) willing to send in troops to recapture their lost land. Even if so, do we want Europe at war again?

I do have respect for diplomats and that’s why I’m placing confidence in Trump’s negotiating team.

Yeah, better to just let Putin take Ukraine. And then Poland. And then Finland. There's no point fighting against these people. We probably shouldn't have fought against Hitler in World War II.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Callatoroy]

That’s Ukraine’s decision. If they want to fight then we should support them. We’ve given them a little over 10% of one year’s worth of our defense budget in three years. In the meantime Russia is sapping all of their resources with a ticking demographic time bomb. Many wars have been won by people protecting their homeland as they become too costly for the aggressor. Russia and the US have both experienced that.

You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.

 

[nycfan]

 

[Bobfripp]

You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions?

It’s taken years, but the Russian economy now appears to be experiencing the full effects of international sanctions. The first signs appeared at the end of 2024.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I feel like we've moved into the evil alternate Star Trek universe where the bad guys are seen as good guys and vice versa. Zelenskyy is the evil dictator that Trump is bravely opposing, while Putin is now a hero who is just trying to restore Russia to its former greatness.

 

[nycfan]

I feel like we've moved into the evil alternate Star Trek universe where the bad guys are seen as good guys and vice versa. Zelenskyy is the evil dictator that Trump is bravely opposing, while Putin is now a hero who is just trying to restore Russia to its former greatness.

 

[BlueSmoke]

How does anyone think Ukraine is getting its land back?

The Ukrainians have a saying: "we shall not die a slave." That's what the war is really about, not getting the land back.

 

[Duke Mu]

Trump is a national disgrace. I am embarrassed to have him as POTUS.

 

[Duke Mu]

Exactly. I had that thought. Trump and Musk will have evil mustaches or goatees next week!

 

[Callatoroy]

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions?

It’s taken years, but the Russian economy now appears to be experiencing the full effects of international sanctions. The first signs appeared at the end of 2024.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Been saying it since they left Afghanistan. Would take a complete international sanctions effort, including Giina

 

[Duke Mu]

You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.

Russian oil is sold to India and China at a discount. US Sanctions are now impeding the flow. The Ruble and Ruple are both in bad shape. So think again.

Latest US sanctions on Russia throw global oil trade into disarray, India scrambles

Tightened U.S. sanctions on Russian oil have disrupted trade with China and India, increasing demand for Middle Eastern and African crudes, and causing oil prices to rise. These sanctions have left millions of barrels of Russian oil floating on ships, forcing traders to find alternative sources...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Callatoroy]

Yeah, better to just let Putin take Ukraine. And then Poland. And then Finland. There's no point fighting against these people. We probably shouldn't have fought against Hitler in World War II.

wow at the drama and hyperbole. finland and poland are nato countries. russia isn't going to invade a nato country. and don't spout some bs about trump leaving nato. We haven't backed out of nato and won't back out. Seriously, attacking poland and finland is your best argument?

 

[Callatoroy]

Russian oil is sold to India and China at a discount. US Sanctions are now impeding the flow. The Ruble and Ruple are both in bad shape. So think again.

Latest US sanctions on Russia throw global oil trade into disarray, India scrambles

Tightened U.S. sanctions on Russian oil have disrupted trade with China and India, increasing demand for Middle Eastern and African crudes, and causing oil prices to rise. These sanctions have left millions of barrels of Russian oil floating on ships, forcing traders to find alternative sources...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Ok, when india and china stop buying their discounted oil from russia then we can talk. If you are india and china, given the relationships they have with russia they would be a fool to stop and more, they aren't going to all of a sudden stop.

 

[BlueSteel]

You are clueless. I asked a legitimate question, without any type of provocation, and the response was typical from such a woke liberal. So I responded in an equal manner. There is no game to me as my family is as much invested in this country as yours. So maybe stop acting like an asshole.

No. You’re the asshole.

 

[rodoheel]

How does anyone think Ukraine is getting its land back? After three years of trench warfare they can’t move the Russians back. Ukraine is running out of manpower and simply can’t win a war of attrition against Russia. Sure, Ukraine is making Russia pay a high price, but the Russians have never cared about sending troops into meat grinders.

I don’t see any other counties (Including US) willing to send in troops to recapture their lost land. Even if so, do we want Europe at war again?

I do have respect for diplomats and that’s why I’m placing confidence in Trump’s negotiating team.

The way Ukraine gets its land back is for the free world to stand up for what’s right and tell Putin that Ukraine is joining NATO and if he doesn’t withdraw his troops he will have the whole alliance to contend with. Appeasement is not the way to deal with tyrants and bullies.

 

[rodoheel]

Well fuck you right back. But, is what Vance said wrong? Do you think you get on trump's good side by ripping him in public?

So it’s Ok for Trump to call Zelenskyy a dictator and trash him in public and try to sell out his country to Russia but not OK for Zelenskyy to stand up for himself?

Do you really think it’s a good thing for flattery and bribery to be the only things Trump responds well to?

 

[Callatoroy]

No. You’re the asshole.

So it’s Ok for Trump to call Zelenskyy a dictator and trash him in public and try to sell out his country to Russia but not OK for Zelenskyy to stand up for himself?

Do you really think it’s a good thing for flattery and bribery to be the only things Trump responds well to?

I didn't say its fair. JD and I said its not a good idea. I didn't say its a good thing, but damn, read the room.

 

[Bobfripp]

As Trump Turns Toward Russia and Against Ukraine, Republicans Are Mum

Congressional Republicans have mostly tempered their criticism or deferred to the president as he topples what were once their party’s core foreign policy principles.

www.nytimes.com

What's left of the Republican party ... nothing but obsequious cowards. Complete chicken shits.