Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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farce© said:
Bessent's plan included Ukraine signing 50% of its mineral rights over to the US, after which the US might put soldiers on the ground in Ukraine to protect our rare earth minerals. Zelensky politely declined to sign the draft. Since Zelinsky didn't go for Trump's extortion, Trump is now shitting on him.

Why is the Treasury Secretary involved in direct foreign policy negotiations? Why is the Sec of Defense taking Ukraine bargaining chips off the table before negotiations even begin? Why is the Vice President publicly scolding our NATO allies over Ukraine? Now Rubio is in Saudi Arabia negotiating with the Russians while other members of the Administration undercut him.

I think the truth is no one speaks for Trump. Trump outlined his plan yesterday when he said Ukraine started the war. Bessent, Hegseth, Rubio, Vance, et al are insignificant players. The only thing that matters is Trump.

It's nice to have a king, isn't it?
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Unless you are the lowly piss boy.
 
nycfan said:

WSJ Editorial Board:​

The Rapid Rehab of Vladimir Putin​

The Russian marauder has become an ostensible peace-maker in a month.​


GIFT LINK --> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/vladimi...7?st=rbMCGr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

"...The Kremlin overlord in 2022 started the biggest land war in Europe since Hitler, and his “special military operation” has killed or maimed hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians. His missiles have targeted apartment houses and train stations. His forces have tried to freeze Ukrainian civilians into surrender by crippling electric-power plants.

His troops have kidnapped hundreds of Ukrainian-born children from their parents to new homes in Russia. They have tortured and executed Ukrainian troops in violation of every rule of international warfare.

Russian hit squads have also been dispatched to assassinate enemies of his rule at home and abroad. This includes killing Alexander Litvinenko with polonium in London and an attempted murder of a former spy in Salisbury, U.K., with Novichok nerve gas that killed an innocent bystander. The British government has said it believes Mr. Putin ordered the Novichok attack.

No one should forget the death of Alexei Navalny, the brave opposition politician who was poisoned abroad, then arrested upon his return and killed in prison. Numerous Russians are taken by a sudden and mysterious desire to leap from tall buildings to their deaths.

Mr. Putin has been charged with war crimes by an international court, and the U.S. sanctioned his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, in 2022 as one of the “architects of Russia’s war against Ukraine.” Mr. Lavrov sat across the table from Mr. Rubio on Tuesday and denied that Russia targets Ukrainian power plants despite mountains of evidence.

We realize that the ruthless men who rule much of the world can’t be ignored. But usually those men aren’t rewarded with a visit to the U.S., as Mr. Trump hinted last week, before they’ve made any compromises. Visits with Soviet leaders during the Cold War at least had some preparation to assume the U.S. would get something from the diplomacy. Any peace Mr. Putin strikes has to be made with all of his legacy of destruction in mind.
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Do you think its in trump's nature to make a deal without getting something in return?
 
Callatoroy said:
Well fuck you right back. But, is what Vance said wrong? Do you think you get on trump's good side by ripping him in public?
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Here’s the thing, Zelensky didn’t rip Trump (in public at least). He said he respected Trump. It that Trump is in a misinformation bubble and needs to be informed by the truth. Trump took offense and Vance ran out to frame it as ripping Trump.
 
BlueSteel said:
We get it, bro. This is all a game to you. So perhaps you should sit this one out—and I'm referring to "this millenium." Please don't have children.
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You are clueless. I asked a legitimate question, without any type of provocation, and the response was typical from such a woke liberal. So I responded in an equal manner. There is no game to me as my family is as much invested in this country as yours. So maybe stop acting like an asshole.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you think its in trump's nature to make a deal without getting something in return?
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He did in Afghanistan.

What did Trump achieve meeting with North Korea’s Rocket Man?

Trump was going to build a “big, beautiful wall.” Where is it?
 
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