Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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finesse said:
A lot of the credit goes to Mother Winter and Lend Lease.


By the end of June 1944 the United States had sent to the Soviets under lend-lease more than 11,000 planes; over 6,000 tanks and tank destroyers; and 300,000 trucks and other military vehicles.

Many of the planes have been flown directly from the United States to the Soviet Union over the northern route via Alaska and Siberia, others were crated and shipped to the Persian Gulf, where they were assembled and flown into Russia.

We have also sent to the Soviets about 350 locomotives, 1,640 flat cars, and close to half a million tons of rails and accessories, axles, and wheels, all for the improvement of the railways feeding the Red armies on the Eastern Front. For the armies themselves we have sent miles of field telephone wire, thousands of telephones, and many thousands of tons of explosives. And we have also provided machine tools and other equipment to help the Russians manufacture their own planes, guns, shells, and bombs.

We have supplied our allies with large quantities of food. The Soviet Union alone has received some 3,000,000 tons. Lend-lease has contributed about 10 percent of Britain’s over-all food supply. This, together with a great increase in agricultural production in the British Isles, has helped to feed the British civilians and armed forces. Bread, potatoes, carrots, cabbage, and other common vegetables have been available to the British from their home gardens and farms. The United States has provided a high proportion of such foods as bacon, eggs, cheese, and fruit juices.
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Certainly correct. The aid we were sending Great Britain and Russia became a point of contention for our military: its leaders complained to the White House they were having trouble building our military because so much was going to Europe. An aside to show our overwhelming advantage in production capabilities; for D-Day British soldiers were given an allocation of 4 sheets of toilet paper per day while US troops were allowed 22.
 
rodoheel said:
I can't imagine how much effort it takes to so consistently and courageously stand for literally nothing
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Where is the diplomacy in this? Posturing and saber-rattling are Russia and North Korea's m.o.
We look like Ugly Americans to most of the civilized world.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
boy am i surprised the usa is the worlds bully for the first time lmao

we've been the worlds bully since the end of ww2. you think this is the first time we have bullied another country? just because its on tv, which is carefully planned by mr reality tv star to give his maga sheep hard ons and you blue sheeps panties in a wad. ya'll are too damn easy and too damn controlled but congrats to both sides i guess.
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You're not necessarily wrong, but your cynicism distorts your perspective. I noticed the same in the Singles' thread and elsewhere.

I'm a fair cynic myself, but I don't let it loose my perspective.

Perhaps you get some perverse pleasure from it; I understand that, if so. But you really need to lighten up. Going through life this way is no way to live. We're already dead, as a true cynic would point out, but that's precisely why we ought not make ourselves so miserable the brief while we're here.
 
It was difficult to hear Zelensky. What was he asking for or saying that annoyed Trump/Vance so much?
 
Some of ya'll have already pointed this out, but this was a complete setup job by the White House. It worked just as they intended. To make Zelenskyy look like the unreasonable guy and Putin the practical, reasonable one.

I credit Zelenskyy a lot. He held up. That probably ends any hope of US support (which was going to happen regardless), but his strength signals to Europe that he's still a real partner. One worth supporting. Hopefully they'll step up and fill the gap.
 
CFordUNC said:
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I’ve been arguing this is the end of non-proliferation for some time. We were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum and put Ukraine in their current predicament. Security in exchange for their nukes. Definitely a bad call for Ukraine, but who could have foreseen this kind of vulvar response from an American president?
 
ZenMode said:
So asking for some kind of assurance of protection if Putin pulls some shit again?
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He wanted to talk about security guarantees (which supposedly were to follow after the minerals agreement). Trump only wanted to talk about looting the country's mineral reserves (which has never actually been on the table, except for a silly MOU that would bind nobody).
 
i am beyond shocked that showman donald trump pulled out his fake tough guy persona on national tv vs a weakling.....just beyond shocked smh

your side lost...you can either man up and accept it or curl up and throw a temper tantrum every week when he does something to hurt your sensitive feelings. you are in the minority regardless
 
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