Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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ChapelHillSooner said:
Here is a question. Let’s hypothesize that European powers decide to get militarily involved in the conflict.

Now let’s assume it went nuclear with a few large devices used against population centers.

If Trump decided to use nukes himself, would he nuke Europe or Russia?
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100% nukes Paris.
 
Burgawnc said:
Negotiations are generally held in private away from the press for exactly the reason against events as happened today.
Trump’s handlers nefariously brought the press (including Russian state media) into the negotiations so as to influence the Ukrainian public into accepting the Russian terms.
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The White House invited RT but not the AP or Reuters. This was 100% an ambush to please Putin.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, I mean secretly. I wouldn’t expect you would post your glee. That wouldn’t look good would it? The opposite would you guys were all hoping this deal would get done and trump gets a big win. That wouldn’t fly either would it? So I went with the first and most likely scenario.
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This is so utterly devoid of anything resembling good faith. I guarantee you there is not a single person on this board who wanted today to go the way it went. This victimization thing is so utterly weird. I don't know what kind of perverse enjoyment comes from being entirely disingenuous all the time, but you certainly voted for the right person because you're mimicking him perfectly now.
 
rodoheel said:
Trump is trying to get Ukraine to agree to something that isn't beneficial to them. Why do you think it's a better strategy to try to browbeat our ally into a bad deal than to try to force our enemy into a bad deal?

But in any event, the "good deal" for Putin will be the lifting of sanctions and the chance to stop throwing away his economy and his people on an unprovoked invasion of his neighbor. Any deal for Putin that involves him still in charge of Russia and not on trial for war crimes is a "good deal" for Putin. Trump can use his tough-guy persona, the art of the deal bullshit, to try to intimidate Putin, not our own ally. The problem, if course, is that he's essentially on Putin's side because he sympathizes more with Putin than Zelensky. Trump wants the level of power and control Putin has. He wants a "might makes right" world order where when he says jump, everyone else says how high. That's the whole problem here.

Any fool can see that allowing Putin to keep territorial gains as a part of a peace settlement - rather than demand he give back the territory he invaded - is a slap in the face to Ukraine and will simply encourage future belligerence.
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I can’t even wrap my head around how pubs think any of this is good. It’s like we’ve been sucked into the twilight zone or something. Honestly the bridge is too far. If this performance by Trump and Vance appeal to you ion not sure we could ever agree on anything. Like what is in th water y’all are drinking?
 
rodoheel said:
Trump is trying to get Ukraine to agree to something that isn't beneficial to them. Why do you think it's a better strategy to try to browbeat our ally into a bad deal than to try to force our enemy into a bad deal?

But in any event, the "good deal" for Putin will be the lifting of sanctions and the chance to stop throwing away his economy and his people on an unprovoked invasion of his neighbor. Any deal for Putin that involves him still in charge of Russia and not on trial for war crimes is a "good deal" for Putin. Trump can use his tough-guy persona, the art of the deal bullshit, to try to intimidate Putin, not our own ally. The problem, if course, is that he's essentially on Putin's side because he sympathizes more with Putin than Zelensky. Trump wants the level of power and control Putin has. He wants a "might makes right" world order where when he says jump, everyone else says how high. That's the whole problem here.

Any fool can see that allowing Putin to keep territorial gains as a part of a peace settlement - rather than demand he give back the territory he invaded - is a slap in the face to Ukraine and will simply encourage future belligerence.
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Not trying to be a jerk but that’s all fairy tale stuff. Putin will never agree to any of that so it’s all a non starter and I think you know it. Ukraine is out of options unless Europe is going to carry all of the load. Zel is out of options because he is running out of troops. Putin has more resources and can wait Zel out. That mineral rights deal was his future security.
 
altmin said:
The White House invited RT but not the AP or Reuters. This was 100% an ambush to please Putin.
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Yep. This was a setup from the beginning, at the behest of Putin. Honestly, I’m now mildly impressed Zelenskyy got out alive. If the tide hadn’t turned in putin’s favor over the last year, I have no doubt don and jd would have little issue helping with the assassination of Zelenskyy.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, I mean secretly. I wouldn’t expect you would post your glee. That wouldn’t look good would it? The opposite would you guys were all hoping this deal would get done and trump gets a big win. That wouldn’t fly either would it? So I went with the first and most likely scenario.
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Nah, man. Only you guys actively root/act against American interests whenever they conflict with Trump’s, which is pretty often.

Kids and babies are getting blown up over there. Bringing an end to that while preserving the sovereignty and territory that is rightfully Ukraine’s would be roundly celebrated. We just all know Trump won’t secure that. He won’t even try.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not trying to be a jerk but that’s all fairy tale stuff. Putin will never agree to any of that so it’s all a non starter and I think you know it. Ukraine is out of options unless Europe is going to carry all of the load. Zel is out of options because he is running out of troops. Putin has more resources and can wait Zel out. That mineral rights deal was his future security.
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In this scenario I would take death or Europe . Never kneel to these ******* ( insert sexual insults of your choosing ).
 
Callatoroy said:
"France President Macron then interrupts, “No, in fact, to be frank, we paid. We paid 60% of the total effort. It was like the US: loans, guarantees, grants”, and then later speaks about Russian "frozen assets", making me think that Macron is expecting some partial payback in the end"

"The majority of committed support by country has come from the United States, whose total aid commitment is valued at about $128 billion. The U.S. is followed by the United Kingdom and Germany for highest commitments overall. The European Union as a whole has committed approximately $124 billion in aid to Ukraine."
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Yes. I read the article.
 
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is so utterly devoid of anything resembling good faith. I guarantee you there is not a single person on this board who wanted today to go the way it went. This victimization thing is so utterly weird. I don't know what kind of perverse enjoyment comes from being entirely disingenuous all the time, but you certainly voted for the right person because you're mimicking him perfectly now.
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Nothing at all disingenuous about my comments. Just reading this board is proof of that. You have people on here who have expressed their desire to see trump dead. Not a single one of you want to see trump succeed. If you want proof of that all one has to do is read the board and experience all the TDS. Are you saying this board wanted to see trump get this deal done? That would be completely contradictory to the comments put here every day and you would be lying.
 
ZenMode said:
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
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How would he put the smack down on Putin at this point?
 
UNCRx85 said:
Nah, man. Only you guys actively root/act against American interests whenever they conflict with Trump’s, which is pretty often.

Kids and babies are getting blown up over there. Bringing an end to that while preserving the sovereignty and territory that is rightfully Ukraine’s would be roundly celebrated. We just all know Trump won’t secure that. He won’t even try.
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So unless Russia pulls out to its original borders, including crimea, it’s a bad deal?
How is it in the US’s interest to guarantee Ukraines perpetual security which might draw us into a war over Ukraine?
 
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