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Putin probably does want to make peace, now that he realized his military might not be able to defeat an armed boy scout troop.
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Putin probably does want to make peace, now that he realized his military might not be able to defeat an armed boy scout troop.
I like how he says that he is about to call Zelenskyy and inform him of the call, after he already posted all the details of the call on social media.
Any thoughts, PandemicBlue/Calla/OG? Actually, wait— Before you respond, first imagine that a Dem-led administration had given away this kind of leverage. Got it? OK, now go...Hey Putin let's negotiate a peace treaty. Before we start, we won't require NATO membership for Ukraine, we don't expect Crimea to be returned, the US won't be participating in securing the peace and the EU is meaningless to us. Let's get it on!
Ukraine doesn't have that kind of leverage — if Trump offers a deal and they say know, it won’t take long for him to end all US assistance. And I don’t see Europe stepping into that breach.So Trump and Putin are going to negotiate something and leave Ukraine out? Good luck with that. Everything Trump does is a circus and devoid of being constructive.
At this point, Ukraine won't agree to anything unless it gets something pretty substantial. What can Trump do if Ukraine won't agree? Remove sanctions yes. But Ukraine is doing a pretty good job of sanctioning Russia by war anyway. The American aid pipeline is already over so not sure what leverage points Trump has.
He's not saying anything trump isn't telling him to say.He is a putz. He gave away all leverage before any discussions begin?????
I guess Trump is a putz then because he gave away leverage before discussions began.He's not saying anything trump isn't telling him to say.
Agree, but that is sad in its reality. We should continue to help ukraine but europe should be funding the majority of it.Ukraine doesn't have that kind of leverage — if Trump offers a deal and they say know, it won’t take long for him to end all US assistance. And I don’t see Europe stepping into that breach.
trump made that comment before taking office. Putin would never agree to withdraw entirely. That was never a beginning pointI guess Trump is a putz then because he gave away leverage before discussions began.
The Art of The Deal.He is a putz. He gave away all leverage before any discussions begin?????
That we can agree on.What he said before taking office and what he says after taking office carry two different weights at the negotiating table.
There was no reason to officially go on record and say we wouldn't support Ukraine into NATO, without using that as a bargaining chip in negotiations.
Finland, Estonia and Latvia, all NATO members, are already literally on his doorstep. Poland and Lithuania border the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast, so technically also have a border with Russia.Putin will never agree to a pact that allows Ukraine into NATO. That puts a NATO ally literally on his doorstep. Ukraine is a buffer zone between Russia and Poland.
Not with this imbecile in the WH, but it could have been.Ukraine’s not getting its 2014 borders back; and
Ukraine is not getting NATO membership.