Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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OGtruthhurts said:
boy am i surprised the usa is the worlds bully for the first time lmao

we've been the worlds bully since the end of ww2. you think this is the first time we have bullied another country? just because its on tv, which is carefully planned by mr reality tv star to give his maga sheep hard ons and you blue sheeps panties in a wad. ya'll are too damn easy and too damn controlled but congrats to both sides i guess.
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I can't imagine how much effort it takes to so consistently and courageously stand for literally nothing
 
It was like the Bob Barker/Adam Sandler pro am fight in Happy Gilmore though not nearly as funny. They shouild have traded punches.
Just think if Zelensky had mentioned Trump praising Putin when Russia invanded Ukraine.

KAll this needed was for someone in the press corps to g full heckler mode and yell "JACKASSS" at Trump

For anyone in the Trump Admin to call someone else disrespecful is a hoot Esp when Trumo is demading 1 billion in mineral blood money to save Ukraine
 
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Regarding what will be surely be the glowing reaction from MAGA, these are the same people who chastised anyone who so much as dared to offer that perhaps invading Iraq in 2003 was inadvisable. They want the Ukraine war to end now, essentially only as a political "win" for Trump, while claiming that the rest of us want to see people needlessly die. These people have no concept of how the world actually works, beyond blunt force, and do not understand how the "interests" of the short-term do not necessarily spell well for the interests of the long-term. They'll also be right on board with another US war, as soon as the opportunity presents itself to punish someone who's wronged us. They never take any accountability. Everything is always someone else's fault. Fools, in other words.

Regarding the Trump administration, these degenerate morons are eventually going to get a lot of people killed. One way or another. And NATO may well be over.

An absolutely embarrassing day for this nation. Shameful.
 
CFordUNC said:
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Yeah it's so very obvious that this was manufactured by the Trump admin to serve as some sort of evidence that they are justified in abandoning Ukraine. They wanted a public spectacle they could sell to the public as "see? We had no choice, this guy came to the Oval Office and disrespected the United States of America." It has Stephen Miller's little Goebbels fingerprints all over it.
 
finesse said:
A lot of the credit goes to Mother Winter and Lend Lease.


By the end of June 1944 the United States had sent to the Soviets under lend-lease more than 11,000 planes; over 6,000 tanks and tank destroyers; and 300,000 trucks and other military vehicles.

Many of the planes have been flown directly from the United States to the Soviet Union over the northern route via Alaska and Siberia, others were crated and shipped to the Persian Gulf, where they were assembled and flown into Russia.

We have also sent to the Soviets about 350 locomotives, 1,640 flat cars, and close to half a million tons of rails and accessories, axles, and wheels, all for the improvement of the railways feeding the Red armies on the Eastern Front. For the armies themselves we have sent miles of field telephone wire, thousands of telephones, and many thousands of tons of explosives. And we have also provided machine tools and other equipment to help the Russians manufacture their own planes, guns, shells, and bombs.

We have supplied our allies with large quantities of food. The Soviet Union alone has received some 3,000,000 tons. Lend-lease has contributed about 10 percent of Britain’s over-all food supply. This, together with a great increase in agricultural production in the British Isles, has helped to feed the British civilians and armed forces. Bread, potatoes, carrots, cabbage, and other common vegetables have been available to the British from their home gardens and farms. The United States has provided a high proportion of such foods as bacon, eggs, cheese, and fruit juices.
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Certainly correct. The aid we were sending Great Britain and Russia became a point of contention for our military: its leaders complained to the White House they were having trouble building our military because so much was going to Europe. An aside to show our overwhelming advantage in production capabilities; for D-Day British soldiers were given an allocation of 4 sheets of toilet paper per day while US troops were allowed 22.
 
rodoheel said:
I can't imagine how much effort it takes to so consistently and courageously stand for literally nothing
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Where is the diplomacy in this? Posturing and saber-rattling are Russia and North Korea's m.o.
We look like Ugly Americans to most of the civilized world.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
boy am i surprised the usa is the worlds bully for the first time lmao

we've been the worlds bully since the end of ww2. you think this is the first time we have bullied another country? just because its on tv, which is carefully planned by mr reality tv star to give his maga sheep hard ons and you blue sheeps panties in a wad. ya'll are too damn easy and too damn controlled but congrats to both sides i guess.
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You're not necessarily wrong, but your cynicism distorts your perspective. I noticed the same in the Singles' thread and elsewhere.

I'm a fair cynic myself, but I don't let it loose my perspective.

Perhaps you get some perverse pleasure from it; I understand that, if so. But you really need to lighten up. Going through life this way is no way to live. We're already dead, as a true cynic would point out, but that's precisely why we ought not make ourselves so miserable the brief while we're here.
 
It was difficult to hear Zelensky. What was he asking for or saying that annoyed Trump/Vance so much?
 
Some of ya'll have already pointed this out, but this was a complete setup job by the White House. It worked just as they intended. To make Zelenskyy look like the unreasonable guy and Putin the practical, reasonable one.

I credit Zelenskyy a lot. He held up. That probably ends any hope of US support (which was going to happen regardless), but his strength signals to Europe that he's still a real partner. One worth supporting. Hopefully they'll step up and fill the gap.
 
CFordUNC said:
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I’ve been arguing this is the end of non-proliferation for some time. We were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum and put Ukraine in their current predicament. Security in exchange for their nukes. Definitely a bad call for Ukraine, but who could have foreseen this kind of vulvar response from an American president?
 
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