Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Well, I guess the Republicans made a liar out of him when they became Russian puppets. Of, course, that makes your argument an anachronism since that wasn't the case when he said it.
 
Speculation a US-less NATO is being planned

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UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan, Starmer says, as leaders arrive for major London summit – live

Keir Starmer hopes peace plan can get ‘back on track’ after disastrous White House meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy
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More leaders have now arrived at Lancaster House, including European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, outgoing German chancellor Olaf Scholz, Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, and Danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen…
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Leaders of Turkey, the Netherlands, Romania, Finland, and Norway are also in.
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Important for Baltics to be involved, Latvia's Siliņa says in a pointed remark after call with Starmer​

Latvian prime minister Evika Siliņa has now offered her take on the Baltic leaders’ call with Keir Starmer too.

Here is what she said (note a pointed reference to the importance of the Baltics being involved, given they didn’t get an invite to the summit):

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Sweden’s Ulf Kristersson is the latest leader to enter Lancaster House,
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Spanish prime minister Pedro Sánchez is the last leader to arrive and I think we now have a full house at Lancaster House as the talks between world leaders get under way.

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It is also an important place in the context of Nato: it is in Lancaster House where foreign ministers of the 12 founding nations discussed the aims, objectives and structure of the organisation in 1950, as UK foreign ministry noted.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I'm really finding it difficult not to insult your lack of intelligence. You really don't have a fucking clue about anything. Biden's plan was literally working as well as any plan could possibly work. He was dismantling Russia's military without spending a single American life. All it was costing him was outdated American munitions and weapons, which btw, we were being paid to produce. Meanwhile, Russia was slamming itself repeatedly into a wall, taking more casualties to its military, and the world was turning against Putin by the day as we ramped up political pressure on them.

And then Trump got involved from afar, Republicans began balking at helping Ukraine, and it became more difficult to get them the help they needed to continue the fight. And now with Trump in office, he's not only halted all aid, he's actually trying to paint Ukraine as the bad guys in this conflict.

What took place in the Oval Office the other day was one of the most embarrassing, disgusting, and amateurish things I'd ever seen from a sitting US President in a diplomatic setting. Trump planned this ambush out well in advance, both due to his idolatry of that evil dictator Putin and his lingering anger at Zelensky for the phone call that let to his first impeachment years ago. You could see it on Marco Rubio's face. It was a complete and utter travesty.

Trump never intended to sign a minerals deal to continue to aid Ukraine. It was never going to happen. What he IS going to do is pull all aid for Ukraine, allow Russia to finish their conquest of the country, and then split the minerals and resources with Putin as they strip mine what's left of it.

We are the bad guys in the world now. We are on the side of dictators and despots. And it's due to dumb fucks like you being allowed to vote.
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If Putin successfully takes all of Ukraine, why would he share anything with the US?
 
Zoo_View said:
If Putin successfully takes all of Ukraine, why would he share anything with the US?
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You know how you sometimes grill up a nice juicy steak for dinner, and then your dog gets right up under you while eating and stares at you with those expectant dog eyes hoping for a nibble, so you give him some table scraps as a treat?

Well, Putin's at the table, and Trump is the dog kneeling next to him, hoping for some scraps.
 
nycfan said:
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I have to admit that it is poor form to say "negative things" about a dictator who invaded your country and has killed thousands of your citizens.

That said, I'm much more upset that Zelensky did not wear a suit when meeting with the King of England...so much disrespect :rolleyes:
 
WaynetheDrain said:
You know how you sometimes grill up a nice juicy steak for dinner, and then your dog gets right up under you while eating and stares at you with those expectant dog eyes hoping for a nibble, so you give him some table scraps as a treat?

Well, Putin's at the table, and Trump is the dog kneeling next to him, hoping for some scraps.
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Putin kicks dogs that beg.
 
Gotta give Tulsi credit...

Despite over 80% of Americans disapproving Putin, she remains a steadfast unapologetic Russian asset.

www.rawstory.com

Fox News host nails Tulsi Gabbard: 'Russia celebrating' Trump's Zelensky snub

Fox News host Shannon Bream confronted Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard because Russia's government was "celebrating" after U.S. President Donald Trump abruptly ended Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's White House visit. During an interview on Fox News Sunday, Bream...
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dukeman92 said:
Outspoken Democrats have been pretty boisterous about NOT working with Pubs. They control all three branches of government. Let them find their own votes.
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Do we want that? The democrats talk about working together, I believe they need to demonstrate that they are better than the pubs and are willing to work together.
 
finesse said:
Cooperate if they ask nicely and offer something in return. Don't volunteer and don't make it easy. That's still better than the Republicans have done this century.
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Agree. And let them know they better act in good faith. Trump has a well documented history of not doing that.
 
UNCatTech said:
Do we want that? The democrats talk about working together, I believe they need to demonstrate that they are better than the pubs and are willing to work together.
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I think congressional Dems should be open to working with Republicans when the legislation is reasonable and achieves something productive but they need to stand strongly united against policies that harm their constituencies. The GOP has the numbers to do what they want. If they’re going to act against the best interests of 80% of Americans, let them own it outright.
 
heelinhell said:
Gotta give Tulsi credit...

Despite over 80% of Americans disapproving Putin, she remains a steadfast unapologetic Russian asset.

www.rawstory.com

Fox News host nails Tulsi Gabbard: 'Russia celebrating' Trump's Zelensky snub

Fox News host Shannon Bream confronted Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard because Russia's government was "celebrating" after U.S. President Donald Trump abruptly ended Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's White House visit. During an interview on Fox News Sunday, Bream...
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Here are the two quotes in the article where Gabbard mention Russia. I can't understand how you would get "steadfast unapologetic Russian" asset from either. Can you unpack you position to explain why you would make that claim.

"People who are celebrating are Russia and Putin, Xi and China," she said. "People who don't have America's best interests at heart. "

"[Russia is] going to say what their position is," Gabbard admitted. "What we should pay attention to here in the United States of America is the American people, so many people across the country celebrating the strong leadership that President Trump and Vice President Vance demonstrated in the Oval Office — something we have not seen over the last four years of the Biden administration."
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Here are the two quotes in the article where Gabbard mention Russia. I can't understand how you would get "steadfast unapologetic Russian" asset from either. Can you unpack you position to explain why you would make that claim.

"People who are celebrating are Russia and Putin, Xi and China," she said. "People who don't have America's best interests at heart. "

"[Russia is] going to say what their position is," Gabbard admitted. "What we should pay attention to here in the United States of America is the American people, so many people across the country celebrating the strong leadership that President Trump and Vice President Vance demonstrated in the Oval Office — something we have not seen over the last four years of the Biden administration."
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The people “celebrating” this are the same old MAGA fools. They’d celebrate trump taking a dump on the Resolute desk.
 
Bigs23 said:
The people “celebrating” this are the same old MAGA fools. They’d celebrate trump taking a dump on the Resolute desk.
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Okay. That's an opinion but its likely correct. It doesn't really address his claim or my question. How do Gabbard's statement's lead to the conclusion that she is a steadfast unapologetic Russian agent?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Here are the two quotes in the article where Gabbard mention Russia. I can't understand how you would get "steadfast unapologetic Russian" asset from either. Can you unpack you position to explain why you would make that claim.

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"[Russia is] going to say what their position is," Gabbard admitted. "What we should pay attention to here in the United States of America is the American people, so many people across the country celebrating the strong leadership that President Trump and Vice President Vance demonstrated in the Oval Office — something we have not seen over the last four years of the Biden administration."
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The article is not well-written. I'm pretty sure that the first quote you attribute to Tulsi was actually part of the question. Like this:

FNC Host: People who are celebrating are Russia and Putin, Xi and China -- people who don't have America's best interests at heart.
Tulsi: "Russia going to say what their position is," Gabbard admitted. "What we should pay attention to here in the United States of America is the American people, so many people across the country celebrating the strong leadership that President Trump and Vice President Vance demonstrated in the Oval Office — something we have not seen over the last four years of the Biden administration."

When you present the conversation like this (and it's almost certainly the right way based on context and language structure), then Tulsi just advanced a pro-Russia position. Asked, "why do America's enemies love this?" she responded, "Trump is so awesome."

I've never understood Tulsi to be an actual Russian asset (is that really the allegation, or is it that she acts like one?), but she's definitely pro-Russia in her public statements, like everyone in the administration sadly enough.
 
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