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Yeah. That’s why they flew out here. Not at all because they wanted to act as a buffer for Zelenskyy if Trump flew off the handle again.
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Yeah. That’s why they flew out here. Not at all because they wanted to act as a buffer for Zelenskyy if Trump flew off the handle again.
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If you want to get Putin's best and final offer, then don't have him talk to Trump. All Putin has to do is whisper in Trump's ear and the American's knees go weak.
Before Alaska, Trump seemed on board with the need for a cease-fire during negotiations. That's the only way a peace agreement can really work. Otherwise, the negotiators have to work against a changing battlefield situation. What if they agree on a "land swap" except then either Russia or Ukraine make military gains in some of those areas. More importantly, without a cease-fire, there's no way to ensure that the peace talks are remotely in good faith. Dictators often use negotiations as filibusters.
But then Putin said, nah, no cease fire, just a peace plan. Well, as everyone has noted, that just plays into Putin's hands. It means that he can send negotiators to dick around in bad faith, while Putin keeps pressing on Ukraine militarily. More deaths, more casualties, more fighting, more losses.
Is this a situation where you are trolling, or do you genuinely not understand the parameters of conflict negotiation.
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He was very complimentary to Trump to the chagrin of Molly Jong-Fast - who largely echoed what is being said here.
Said it was a "zombie lie" to continue stating that Trump was Putin's bitch.
Said visuals in Alaska were great in that Putin was half of Trump's size and looked like his caddy.
Mentioned Putin nervously smiling.
Cut off Molly when she tried to criticize Trump for clapping for Putin on the red carpet - telling her to knock off that "crap" since it reminded him of Republicans criticizing Obama for his tan suit.
I watched the episode - doubt you did.
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Serious question. Why did Trump say that none of the "six wars" he's already "resolved" required a ceasefire, when:
- India-Pakistan is nothing but a ceasefire, as Trump himself acknowledged
- Israel-Iran is nothing but a ceasefire, as Trump himself acknowledged
- DRC-Rwanda is nothing but (an extremely tenuous and unenforceable) ceasefire, as Trump himself acknowledged
- Cambodia-Thailand is nothing but a ceasefire, as Trump himself acknowledged
- Kosovo-Serbia is nothing even resembling a ceasefire
- Egypt-Ethiopia is not even the preface to the opening notes of a ceasefire
Why are you so gullible? Why do you keep believing this bullshit that you could know is bullshit if you would take the ten seconds to type a search question into Google?
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Masochist.
I’m not sure this is obvious. We can have educated guesses about what Putin wants, but he may accept something less.
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"Said visuals in Alaska were great in that Putin was half of Trump's size and looked like his caddy."
You think that's a point in YOUR favor???
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He does, because someone in the right-wing nutjobosphere told him that."Said visuals in Alaska were great in that Putin was half of Trump's size and looked like his caddy."
You think that's a point in YOUR favor???
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Sure, in the perfect world it would be best for there to be a cease fire while the parties' negotiate but that doesn't mean there can't be a negotiated final peace agreement. Putin wants to keep the negotiations uncomfortable, thus the fighting continues. The process is working quickly and we're not going to let him drag this out indefinitely as y'all are suggesting. First meeting on Friday; unprecedented European/Ukrainian meeting on Monday; likely meeting with Putin/Trump/Z in a couple of weeks. We'll know soon enough if this will work. I've already stated it will be difficult but worth the effort.
OR....they were so frightened by the optics they realized time was of the essence.
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smallish Putin looking like Trump's caddy (carrying his clubs) is NOT a favorable visual for US and not embarrassing for the vain Putin?"Said visuals in Alaska were great in that Putin was half of Trump's size and looked like his caddy."
You think that's a point in YOUR favor???
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Not when Putin got the red carpet treatment, a military flyover, and a clapping-seal greeting from Trump.
Not when Putin took the podium first and spoke for 3X as long as Trump did, while Trump sounded beaten and tired.
Not when Trump subsequently backed off requiring a ceasefire deal and backed off punishing Russia for not committing to a deal.
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Could it be less difficult if Trump applied the pressure on Putin that he promised but has not followed through ?
The Press Secretary herself referred to it as the NOBLE Peace Prize. She also referenced Adolf HILTER.
It's like having Yogi Berra or Casey Stengel as your press spokesperson. Of course, as Trump says, she's always got those lips and the way they move going for her.
lawtig02
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But Trump said none of the deals he negotiated involved ceasefires. You're acknowledging the conflicts he has claimed to have resolved are AT BEST ceasefires.
When it became clear to me that Biden's team was lying to me about his mental condition, I immediately started demanding a different candidate for president.
Why are you ok with your president lying hundreds of times per day? You acknowledge he's lying. Why are you ok with that? What is broken inside you that makes you willing to accept that?
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There was literally nothing about that event that was embarrassing to Putin.
Event held in a place Russia still claims as its own? He loved it.
American soldiers tacking down the red carpet for him? He loved it.
Trump clapping for him like a baby seal waiting for his mama's milk? He loved it.
Talking first at a press conference on American soil? He loved it.
There is nothing you can possibly point to in that whole event that was a win for the US, or even for Trump. I don't understand how you can't see that.
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I think it is reasonable to draw an inference that Trump's goal is to get the Nobel Peace Prize and he really doesn't know or care what the geopolitics implications are as long he can hug that Nobel prize... so sad our president is so insecure and fragile.
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Not when he had army soldiers kneeling and laying down a red carpet for him while POTUS eagerly awaited him on the tarmac like an over-excited puppy waiting for the kids to come home from school.
It was embarrassing for the country. Generations of U.S. presidents were rolling over in their graves watching our current POTUS prostrate himself before a dictator.
Somewhere, Neville Chamberlain’s ghost was heard saying, “What a goddamn pussy.”
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This is why I suggested you have a paralegal watch the episode. I’ve told you multiple times that Bill Maher didn’t say Putin looked like Trump’s caddy, yet you keep making the same error.