Russia - US “Ukraine peace negotiations”

Ramrouser said:
How does anyone think Ukraine is getting its land back? After three years of trench warfare they can’t move the Russians back. Ukraine is running out of manpower and simply can’t win a war of attrition against Russia. Sure, Ukraine is making Russia pay a high price, but the Russians have never cared about sending troops into meat grinders.

I don’t see any other counties (Including US) willing to send in troops to recapture their lost land. Even if so, do we want Europe at war again?

I do have respect for diplomats and that’s why I’m placing confidence in Trump’s negotiating team.
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Yeah, better to just let Putin take Ukraine. And then Poland. And then Finland. There's no point fighting against these people. We probably shouldn't have fought against Hitler in World War II.
 
Enigma94 said:
That’s Ukraine’s decision. If they want to fight then we should support them. We’ve given them a little over 10% of one year’s worth of our defense budget in three years. In the meantime Russia is sapping all of their resources with a ticking demographic time bomb. Many wars have been won by people protecting their homeland as they become too costly for the aggressor. Russia and the US have both experienced that.
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You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.
 
Callatoroy said:
You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.
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www.atlanticcouncil.org

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions?

It’s taken years, but the Russian economy now appears to be experiencing the full effects of international sanctions. The first signs appeared at the end of 2024.
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Callatoroy said:
You are overestimating Russia running out of money. Oil is flowing. Countries are buying. The war machine rumbles on and Ukraine is running out of jimmies and joes. Ukraine can’t win without boots on the ground from somewhere.
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Russian oil is sold to India and China at a discount. US Sanctions are now impeding the flow. The Ruble and Ruple are both in bad shape. So think again.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Latest US sanctions on Russia throw global oil trade into disarray, India scrambles

Tightened U.S. sanctions on Russian oil have disrupted trade with China and India, increasing demand for Middle Eastern and African crudes, and causing oil prices to rise. These sanctions have left millions of barrels of Russian oil floating on ships, forcing traders to find alternative sources...
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ZZLPHeels said:
Yeah, better to just let Putin take Ukraine. And then Poland. And then Finland. There's no point fighting against these people. We probably shouldn't have fought against Hitler in World War II.
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wow at the drama and hyperbole. finland and poland are nato countries. russia isn't going to invade a nato country. and don't spout some bs about trump leaving nato. We haven't backed out of nato and won't back out. Seriously, attacking poland and finland is your best argument?
 
Duke Mu said:
Russian oil is sold to India and China at a discount. US Sanctions are now impeding the flow. The Ruble and Ruple are both in bad shape. So think again.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Latest US sanctions on Russia throw global oil trade into disarray, India scrambles

Tightened U.S. sanctions on Russian oil have disrupted trade with China and India, increasing demand for Middle Eastern and African crudes, and causing oil prices to rise. These sanctions have left millions of barrels of Russian oil floating on ships, forcing traders to find alternative sources...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
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Ok, when india and china stop buying their discounted oil from russia then we can talk. If you are india and china, given the relationships they have with russia they would be a fool to stop and more, they aren't going to all of a sudden stop.
 
Callatoroy said:
You are clueless. I asked a legitimate question, without any type of provocation, and the response was typical from such a woke liberal. So I responded in an equal manner. There is no game to me as my family is as much invested in this country as yours. So maybe stop acting like an asshole.
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No. You’re the asshole.
 
Ramrouser said:
How does anyone think Ukraine is getting its land back? After three years of trench warfare they can’t move the Russians back. Ukraine is running out of manpower and simply can’t win a war of attrition against Russia. Sure, Ukraine is making Russia pay a high price, but the Russians have never cared about sending troops into meat grinders.

I don’t see any other counties (Including US) willing to send in troops to recapture their lost land. Even if so, do we want Europe at war again?

I do have respect for diplomats and that’s why I’m placing confidence in Trump’s negotiating team.
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The way Ukraine gets its land back is for the free world to stand up for what’s right and tell Putin that Ukraine is joining NATO and if he doesn’t withdraw his troops he will have the whole alliance to contend with. Appeasement is not the way to deal with tyrants and bullies.
 
Callatoroy said:
Well fuck you right back. But, is what Vance said wrong? Do you think you get on trump's good side by ripping him in public?
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So it’s Ok for Trump to call Zelenskyy a dictator and trash him in public and try to sell out his country to Russia but not OK for Zelenskyy to stand up for himself?

Do you really think it’s a good thing for flattery and bribery to be the only things Trump responds well to?
 
BlueSteel said:
No. You’re the asshole.
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rodoheel said:
So it’s Ok for Trump to call Zelenskyy a dictator and trash him in public and try to sell out his country to Russia but not OK for Zelenskyy to stand up for himself?

Do you really think it’s a good thing for flattery and bribery to be the only things Trump responds well to?
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I didn't say its fair. JD and I said its not a good idea. I didn't say its a good thing, but damn, read the room.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Yeah, better to just let Putin take Ukraine. And then Poland. And then Finland. There's no point fighting against these people. We probably shouldn't have fought against Hitler in World War II.
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They can’t even take more than a sliver of Ukraine with their crappy military so what makes you think they’re going to suddenly go 1939 German Blitzkrieg and conquer Eastern Europe? What they’re good at is simply winning wars of attrition but they’ve already lost 850k soldiers and a ton of their equipment.
 
rodoheel said:
The way Ukraine gets its land back is for the free world to stand up for what’s right and tell Putin that Ukraine is joining NATO and if he doesn’t withdraw his troops he will have the whole alliance to contend with. Appeasement is not the way to deal with tyrants and bullies.
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Well hell rodo, I agree. If only obama had led that coalition the first time. And if only joe, or really jill had led that coalition the 2nd time maybe we wouldn't be here today but we are and the situation is what it is. Now the goal is to end the war, which the free world wants and to provide some security for ukraine and to recoup our loan. Standing up for what's right was the play in 2014. Your post is only 11 years to late and your anger regarding peace negotiations is grossly misplaced.
 
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