Russia - US “Ukraine peace negotiations”

Instead of supporting an ally, we're trying to bully them into an economic deal that would be crippling for their country, and emboldening Russia and other autocracies in the process. This is the problem with Trump's view of international diplomacy as boardroom deal making. The goal in international diplomacy isn't just to extract the best terms out of your negotiating partner; it's to build the relationships and alliances that help ensure world peace. We will rue the day when America started to tell its allies that it doesn't care what happens to them.

Anne Applebaum writes well about it here:

 
It appears that we are unilaterally imposing the terms of Versailles on an ally who has fought bravely to a stalemate against a larger force.

We convinced Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons 30 years ago in exchange for security assurances which will not be honored by us. We have proven that our country is an unreliable partner.
 
Trump's version of American foreign policy is bullyball. Might makes right.

This could lead to a sizable shift in stances towards America. Y'all might want to go to on that trip to Europe sooner rather than later.
 
Trump's version of American foreign policy is bullyball. Might makes right.

This could lead to a sizable shift in stances towards America. Y'all might want to go to on that trip to Europe sooner rather than later.
Or make that a trip to Eastern Europe i.e. Russia.
 
Instead of supporting an ally, we're trying to bully them into an economic deal that would be crippling for their country, and emboldening Russia and other autocracies in the process. This is the problem with Trump's view of international diplomacy as boardroom deal making. The goal in international diplomacy isn't just to extract the best terms out of your negotiating partner; it's to build the relationships and alliances that help ensure world peace. We will rue the day when America started to tell its allies that it doesn't care what happens to them.

Anne Applebaum writes well about it here:

From the link:

“… A few days before the Munich conference, U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent went to Kyiv and presented President Volodymyr Zelensky with a two-page document and asked him to sign. Details of this proposed agreement began to leak last weekend.

It calls for the U.S. to take 50 percent of all “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine,” including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure,” not just now but forever, as the British newspaper The Telegraph reported and others confirmed: “For all future licenses the U.S. will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals,” the document says.

Europeans have contributed more resources to Ukraine’s military and economic survival than the U.S. has—despite Trump’s repeated, untruthful claims to the contrary—but would presumably be cut out of this deal.

The Ukrainians, who have suffered hundreds of thousands of military and civilian casualties, whose cities have been turned to rubble, whose national finances have been decimated, and whose personal lives have been disrupted, are offered nothing in exchange for half their wealth: no security guarantees, no investment.

The cruelty of the document is remarkable, as are its ambiguities. People who have seen it say that it does not explain exactly which Americans would be the beneficiaries of this deal. Perhaps the American government? Perhaps the president’s friends and business partners? … But the document at least served to reiterate Vance’s message, and to add a new element: The U.S. doesn’t need or want allies—unless they can pay.

…Trump is demonstrating that he can and will align himself with whomever he wants—Vladimir Putin, Mohammed bin Salman, perhaps eventually with Xi Jinping—in defiance of past treaties and agreements. In order to bully Ukraine into signing unfavorable deals, he is even willing to distort reality.

In these circumstances, everything is up for grabs, any relationship is subject to bargaining. Zelensky knows this already: It was he who originally proposed giving Americans access to rare-earth metals, in order to appeal to a transactional U.S. president, although without imagining that the concession would be in exchange for nothing. …”
 


“… they [Ukraine] don’t have any cards but they play it tough … this would have never happened if I were President but it did happen, so Ingot stuck with it and the whole world is stuck with it …” also describes “those beautiful towers, those thousand year old golden domes” in Ukraine as “all in smithereens”
 
"...Trump continued to express frustration with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in an interview with Fox News Radio host Brian Kilmeade.

... "I've been watching for years, and I've been watching him negotiate with no cards. He has no cards. And you get sick of it. You just get sick of it. And I've had it," Trump said of Zelenskyy.

"But we made a deal with rare earth, and Secretary of Treasury, a very good guy, actually went there, and they couldn't even come close to getting a deal done," Trump said. "And frankly, I wish he didn't go there, waste all of his time like that, but they couldn't get close. They met, right, and then when he wanted to get it close, he was unable to meet him again. But so just a wasted trip, a dangerous trip, too." ..."

 
Afghanistan in the 1980s didn't have any cards but they played it tough and, with US help, they brought down the entire Soviet empire. Yet our President doesn't think that precedent is in Putin's mind as leverage?
For those posters who keep saying we should cut our aid to Ukraine because they will never get their land back anyway, we should bring up this example. Our aid helped end the cold war. Huge bargain.
 
Afghanistan in the 1980s didn't have any cards but they played it tough and, with US help, they brought down the entire Soviet empire. Yet our President doesn't think that precedent is in Putin's mind as leverage?
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