What does everyone else think? Personally, I think Michael Flynn is a disgraceful human being. Pretty much the same with Elon Musk. But, I’m aware others may have a different view.
You know that our resident Trumpers and bosiders have lost this argument when they're retroactively blaming Obama for a war that started five years after he left office, or using his words from years ago to try and argue that Democrats were wrong about Russia too - even though it was Democrats under Biden who have been arming and supporting Ukraine since the war started, and it's Trump and the Republicans who appear totally clueless as to what Putin really is about and that he is no way our friend or ally.
Personally I think it's pretty clear that it is clever trolling, in that this poster is smart enough not to cross a line that would get them banned, but they are clearly not arguing in good faith and their goal is just to stir other posters up rather than have a genuine debate or argument. Having said that, I generally prefer to put such posters on ignore or super ignore myself (even though I haven't with this particular poster, at least yet). But I'm aware that others disagree and want these posters banned, and at times it's not hard to see why. My own dividing line is when a poster crosses into deliberate and consistent personal attacks or even stalking posters and sending them ugly PMs and such, which happened on the old IC ZZL and ZZLP in the past. I don't really have a strong opinion about banning them either way, to be honest. If they annoy me too much I'll just put them on ignore. Just my two cents, for whatever it is worth.
Relax. When people do what you're doing its a sign they don't like being exposed or the truth they hear is offensive. Its always the left calling for bans, so odd.
Russia was invading Ukraine in 2014
I vote for keeping him. It's good to be reminded what absolute idiocy 40% of Americans are consuming.
But the current war we're discussing didn't, and you know that. And Obama, to my knowledge, never insulted a Ukrainian leader the way that Trump did, nor did he willingly do Putin's bidding the way Trump has done. So stop the nonsense - and you know it is nonsense.
It's all linked
No really. The problem that most Trumpers face is deficits in higher-order thinking, not being able to do basic tasks that get one through the day.
I’m torn between content moderation and super ignore, but in the end super ignore better serves the first amendment spirit. The voice lives but one can choose not to hear it and the ever fainter ripples.
Not really. It was an incursion, not invasion. Russia didn't send in troops. Russia merely activated and supplied various pro-Russian militias or separatists, as well as sending a cadre of non-uniformed military. But there was no real fighting, and nothing for the Americans or Europeans to do, really.
Yes, but it does nothing to help lurkers, nor do anything to induce would-be posters to start posting. And letting misinformation flow unchecked is arguably contributing to the problem.
Important Note: I am not taking a stance on when the mods here should ban someone from the board.
One possible reason is it changes the dynamics of a negotiation
Because Trump doesn't view Putin as the bad guy.
I personally don’t think any lines have been crossed that warrant a banning. This board is a bit of a “contained” community where most of the posters are highly intelligent and critical thinkers, so I don’t think posting lies and disinformation here is dangerous. It maybe annoying, but I also think we need to keep an eye on the disinformation that is getting passed along so that we can have a better understanding of that which is being used to attempt to bring us down (and which has apparently been successful at doing just that). You can’t combat the lies and idiocy unless you know what they are.
