Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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In a win for Ukraine on the third anniversary of Russia’s invasion, the United States on Monday failed to get the U.N. General Assembly to approve its resolution seeking to end the war without mentioning Russian aggression.

The U.S. draft resolution was amended by the assembly, adding language making clear that Russia invaded its smaller neighbor in violation of the U.N. Charter.

The vote in the 193-nation world body on the amended U.S. resolution was 93-8 with 73 abstentions, with Ukraine voting “yes,” the U.S. abstaining and Russia voting “no.” …”
 
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Protection racket that offers no actual protection?
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Pretty much. If Russia does conquer Ukraine then Trump 2.0 will just "renegotiate" its deal with Ukraine to a new deal with Russia for the minerals. And meanwhile Ukraine gets pretty much nothing from us, other than a worthless pledge that we will support Ukraine's independence while no longer giving them weapons or the ability to actually defend themselves. Whoopee!
 
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Wait, what? An economic development deal with Russia negotiated by Trump???
 
A term sheet? THAT'S THE MINERALS AGREEMENT? A TERM SHEET? Lololololololololol. Trump's track record of getting utterly bamboozled in negotiations continues intact.

Prediction: Even if Zelenskyy signs this thing, the U.S. will never see a cent from it. Here's how it will happen:

1. Zelenskyy signs.
2. Trump says, "let's negotiate the terms of the fund now!!"
3. Zelenskyy says, "Treaty isn't valid until I get it through my parliament. It will take some time. Can't proceed until then."
4. After parliament does something, Zelenskyy says, "oh by the way, treaty isn't valid until your Senate approves it. Can't proceed until then."
5. Trump goes to the Senate.
6. If Senate approves, Trump goes back to Ukraine. Ukraine says, "well, there are a lot of details to work out." Negotiations drag on forever. Meanwhile, Ukraine starts looking for help elsewhere. Europe understands what's going on and steps up with actual security guarantees.
7. Maybe eventually Zelenskyy signs it. Now it goes to the Senate. How will the actual agreement fare there? One wonders if the Senate is really interested in holding a vote in an election year. But let's say that the Senate eventually confirms it.
8. Americans show up with digging equipment. Ukrainians say, "oh, I'm sorry, but while we were haggling over all this, we gave the leases to French and German companies. Sorry about that. Anyway, we can't break the leases according to our law."
9. Trump gets big mad. He sues Ukraine in federal court to enforce the deal (because he is stupid). Ukraine says, "Foreign Sovereign Immunity, lolololol"
10. Trump gets big mad again. All leverage gone. Deal is dead. Subsequent American president will abandon it.

Of course, getting all the way to 10 is not necessarily going to happen. It could get derailed along the way. But I'm pretty confident that the protection racket here will not work.

Because you can't run a protection racket with MOUs. LOLOLOLOL. An MOU is moderately helpful sometimes when both parties are interested in doing a deal. If one of the parties is being coerced the MOU does nothing.
 
Trump is so funny the way he approaches everything. Maybe he knows this deal means nothing to him, but he loves propaganda. He will go out and crow endlessly about how he made Ukraine pay and it wouldn't have happened if he wasn't so tough.
 
Its always been a mystery to me, why Trump is so interested in stopping the war. Especially coming right out of the gate in the first 30 days of his Presidency. But listening to him a minute ago, its pretty obvious why he's in a hurry.

He knows Putin is in some serious trouble. So he's throwing him a lifeline. Plus, he's going to brag about stopping the war nonstop.
 


Apparently the United States abstained from the vote on its own proposed resolution and voted with Russia AGAINST Ukraine’s version.

We are one of the bad guys under Trump. Full stop.

 


Trump rambled his way around answering that straight-forward question.
 
1. I'm surprised Macron's English isn't better. Just an observation.
2. It's got to be fucking frustrating sitting there next to the orange POS who is babbling incoherently. I would have to restrain myself from going Homer-on-Bart to Trump.
3. You could see Macron's satisfied look when the person asked the simple question about Putin, and Trump babbled his way through. It's like he's thinking, "yes, everyone can see what a buffoon this man is."
 
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