Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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BlooVooDoo said:
And places with high concentrations of people - apartments, hotels, etc.
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Well, the United States wasn't exactly engaging in pin-point bombing strikes against Germany and Japan during WW2. And given that current Russian targeting technology is probably not that advanced over what the US had in WW2, this is what is to be expected. It's not like Russia has Ukranian-level targeting technology or actually cares about what their weapons hit. Didn't you ever wonder why Russian nuclear warheads were always so much larger than their US counterparts?
 
Purple Nurple said:
But didn’t Trump cause Europe to take the actions that our moving Russia.
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What kind of dumbass logic is this?

1. Trump alienates all our allies by appeasing a dictator hellbent on destabilizing Europe.

2. Europe responds with threats of WWIII, knowing the U.S. has abandoned them.

3. Putin shows a sudden willingness to discuss terms.

3. MAGA simpletons: Trump’s 3D chess moves worked!
 
Purple Nurple said:
But didn’t Trump cause Europe to take the actions that our moving Russia.
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That's one way to look at it, I suppose. It's sort of like praising Caleb Love for missing so many shots that Mondo could get a bunch of offensive rebounds, but OK.

Another way of looking at it is that nobody will ever trust the US again. And another way of looking at it is that the UK might very well have been willing to send in peacekeepers in a true multilateral peace negotiation, with US support, and then we'd have something better.

And another way of looking at it is that Europe doesn't consider the US an ally any more, except in a formal sense. We're like Hungary.
 
mynameisbond said:
That makes very good sense.
If only "Little Marco" was offering solutions to aid Ukraine, instead of standing back and standing by like a Proud Boy while the Blusterer In Chief aligns us with Russia and North Korea. Zelensky only 'has no cards' to negotiate with to end the conflict when we weaken rather than strengthen his hand, which seems to be the plan now.
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Marco sold his soul to the trump cult just like everyone else that hitched their wagon to the man.

If he ever had an actual position or set of balls he's been neutered. He's now just a ball less little bitch.
 
CFordUNC said:
almost every single other presidential administration in U.S. history, Republican or Democrat- would have chosen- is to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to purge the invading Russians from its land.
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I think you are vastly overstating here. The US did not give weapons to Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. We were fine fomenting dissent, but we never took the step of sending US weapons to Eastern Bloc countries. The idea that any American president would arm a country on the border of Russia would have been a complete non-starter until this millennium.
 
Calheel said:
I think you are vastly overstating here. The US did not give weapons to Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. We were fine fomenting dissent, but we never took the step of sending US weapons to Eastern Bloc countries. The idea that any American president would arm a country on the border of Russia would have been a complete non-starter until this millennium.
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Point taken, but I am almost certain Ronald Reagan would have done so and likely either or both Bush’s.
 
Calheel said:
I think you are vastly overstating here. The US did not give weapons to Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. We were fine fomenting dissent, but we never took the step of sending US weapons to Eastern Bloc countries. The idea that any American president would arm a country on the border of Russia would have been a complete non-starter until this millennium.
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Not Eastern Bloc but the Shah of Iran would differ greatly about who got armed and where and so would Turkey. Stick with the Eastern Bloc thing.
 
CFordUNC said:
Point taken, but I am almost certain Ronald Reagan would have done so and likely either or both Bush’s.
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Not a chance.

Now, if you mean a reincarnated Ronald Reagan inhabiting the White House today, then maybe.

But there is a long, long history of the US treating Russia/USSR far different than any other country. To arm Ukraine as heavily as we have to date, in the face of the threats of nuclear war from Putin, is a significant departure from historical US policy.

I mean, we are fine arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan with small arms weapons and giving them CIA training, but that is whole world apart from sending tanks and HIMARS to a country within a short plane trip of Moscow.
 
Calheel said:
Not a chance.

Now, if you mean a reincarnated Ronald Reagan inhabiting the White House today, then maybe.

But there is a long, long history of the US treating Russia/USSR far different than any other country. To arm Ukraine as heavily as we have to date, in the face of the threats of nuclear war from Putin, is a significant departure from historical US policy.

I mean, we are fine arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan with small arms weapons and giving them CIA training, but that is whole world apart from sending tanks and HIMARS to a country within a short plane trip of Moscow.
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Maybe. You're probably more knowledgeable on this subject than I am, but I'm not sure that Reagan or either Bush would consider Putin's nuclear war bluster is anything other than just that. From what I think understand about each of those three, they were more of hardliners on Russia than was Joe Biden, and Biden did not hesitate to arm Ukraine.
 
CFordUNC said:
Maybe. You're probably more knowledgeable on this subject than I am, but I'm not sure that Reagan or either Bush would consider Putin's nuclear war bluster is anything other than just that. From what I think understand about each of those three, they were more of hardliners on Russia than was Joe Biden, and Biden did not hesitate to arm Ukraine.
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He hesitated. Ukraine never got the weapons it needed because Biden was scared of escalation.
 
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