Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Callatoroy said:
Not trying to be a jerk but that’s all fairy tale stuff. Putin will never agree to any of that so it’s all a non starter and I think you know it. Ukraine is out of options unless Europe is going to carry all of the load. Zel is out of options because he is running out of troops. Putin has more resources and can wait Zel out. That mineral rights deal was his future security.
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In this scenario I would take death or Europe . Never kneel to these ******* ( insert sexual insults of your choosing ).
 
Callatoroy said:
"France President Macron then interrupts, “No, in fact, to be frank, we paid. We paid 60% of the total effort. It was like the US: loans, guarantees, grants”, and then later speaks about Russian "frozen assets", making me think that Macron is expecting some partial payback in the end"

"The majority of committed support by country has come from the United States, whose total aid commitment is valued at about $128 billion. The U.S. is followed by the United Kingdom and Germany for highest commitments overall. The European Union as a whole has committed approximately $124 billion in aid to Ukraine."
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Yes. I read the article.
 
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
 
wmheel1287 said:
This is so utterly devoid of anything resembling good faith. I guarantee you there is not a single person on this board who wanted today to go the way it went. This victimization thing is so utterly weird. I don't know what kind of perverse enjoyment comes from being entirely disingenuous all the time, but you certainly voted for the right person because you're mimicking him perfectly now.
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Nothing at all disingenuous about my comments. Just reading this board is proof of that. You have people on here who have expressed their desire to see trump dead. Not a single one of you want to see trump succeed. If you want proof of that all one has to do is read the board and experience all the TDS. Are you saying this board wanted to see trump get this deal done? That would be completely contradictory to the comments put here every day and you would be lying.
 
ZenMode said:
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
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How would he put the smack down on Putin at this point?
 
UNCRx85 said:
Nah, man. Only you guys actively root/act against American interests whenever they conflict with Trump’s, which is pretty often.

Kids and babies are getting blown up over there. Bringing an end to that while preserving the sovereignty and territory that is rightfully Ukraine’s would be roundly celebrated. We just all know Trump won’t secure that. He won’t even try.
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So unless Russia pulls out to its original borders, including crimea, it’s a bad deal?
How is it in the US’s interest to guarantee Ukraines perpetual security which might draw us into a war over Ukraine?
 
ZenMode said:
This may have already been pointed out, but I think Zelensky knows that Trump is a Putin fanboy and wasn't going to do the right thing, which is put the smack down on Russia. His only chance was to make the case in front of the media and the world and hopefully force Trump's hand.
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I mean, obviously. And Europe has to step in now. Either way, shit is going to go sideways. And regardless of outcome, Trump is going to think he deserves credit.
 
Or...

Maybe this was all part of a plan to piss off Trump, allow European countries to come in and save the day and leave Trump on the sidelines. Zelensky showed up underdressed, which Trump pointed out, and then he basically called out Trump in front of the world, while talking over him.
 




Except he said thank you repeatedly today and in the past.



They are so lazy about regurgitating talking points.

 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, I mean secretly. I wouldn’t expect you would post your glee. That wouldn’t look good would it? The opposite would you guys were all hoping this deal would get done and trump gets a big win. That wouldn’t fly either would it? So I went with the first and most likely scenario.
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I’m happy the world got to see what a buffoon Trump is. Why wouldn’t that make me happy?
 
HandsonFire said:
In this scenario I would take death or Europe . Never kneel to these ******* ( insert sexual insults of your choosing ).
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Not smart and you would be condemning hundreds of thousands, including women and children to death. Or, you get to keep 4/5ths of your country, have informal security, and get help extracting billions of dollars that could be used to rebuild your country and economy. If it ended today, Ukraine is the winner in the eyes of the world.
 
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