Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Nothing at all disingenuous about my comments. Just reading this board is proof of that. You have people on here who have expressed their desire to see trump dead. Not a single one of you want to see trump succeed. If you want proof of that all one has to do is read the board and experience all the TDS. Are you saying this board wanted to see trump get this deal done? That would be completely contradictory to the comments put here every day and you would be lying.
It’s not a matter of not wanting Trump to succeed. I want the country to succeed, not Trump’s vision for the country. If Trump and his band of corrupt incompetents succeed in implementing the Trump agenda, that means our nation has failed.
 

That was my reaction, as well.

Trump lost his cool because he realized that Z was not going to lay down and give him a chance to match Obama by winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

For Trump it's not about a just peace or even mineral rights; it's all about the Nobel, and he had a temper tantrum when Z threw cold water on his Nobel plans.
 
[Baker describes Zelensky’s lack of diplomatic instincts or willingness to soothe egos versus pragmatic blunt talk about being the leader of a country under siege]

“… But what was particularly striking in their exchange was how much Mr. Trump seemed insulted on Mr. Putin’s behalf. He has long been an open admirer of Mr. Putin and has rarely offered any criticism of his own. Just this week, he called Mr. Putin “smart” and “cunning,” and declined to call him a dictator even after calling Mr. Zelensky that.

“You want me to say really terrible things about Putin and then say, ‘Hi, Vladimir, how are we doing on the deal?’” Mr. Trump told Mr. Zelensky on Friday. “It doesn’t work that way.”

… “You see the hatred he’s got for Putin,” Mr. Trump said with a tone of indignation as cameras recorded the exchange. “It’s very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate. He’s got tremendous hatred. And I understand that. But I can tell you the other side’s not exactly in love with him either.

He came back to Mr. Putin and the Russia investigation again near the end of the session, describing the Russian leader as if they had bonded through a shared ordeal.

Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” Mr. Trump said. “He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.”

The affront to Mr. Putin seemed to stick with Mr. Trump. By evening, hours after tossing Mr. Zelensky out of the White House, Mr. Trump stopped to talk with reporters as he left for a weekend in Florida and again outlined his grievance with the Ukrainian president.

He’s got to say, ‘I want to make peace,’” Mr. Trump said. “He doesn’t have to stand there and say about, ‘Putin this, Putin that,’ all negative things. He’s got to say, ‘I want to make peace.
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Hahaha! Yeah, I’m sure Vlad was just a nervous wreck throughout the Mueller investigation.
 
That was my reaction, as well.

Trump lost his cool because he realized that Z was not going to lay down and give him a chance to match Obama by winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

For Trump it's not about a just peace or even mineral rights; it's all about the Nobel, and he had a temper tantrum when Z threw cold water on his Nobel plans.
Not even close to the first time this week. Trump berated GOP congressmen and women to get them to vote for his ridiculous budget resolution. He’s just a massive bully and it doesn’t matter if the target is a congresswoman from his own party or the leader of a nation under assault.
 
I wish Trump would spend less time worrying about the Nobel Peace Prize and more time bringing down the price of eggs. After all, that is why we voted for him...you know, to bring down the price of eggs on day one ?
 
Trump wants Europe to pay more. I don’t think for a minute he wants them to take a decision making role. He wants their money, not their opinions.
I think there are decisions like should Poland give arms and munitions to Ukraine where Trump wants to make all the decisions. But if Russia is going to start threatening Poland, it's not going to matter what Trump wants. It's going to matter how strong Poland's military has become as well as the strengths of Poland's allies. And the answer to that is much stronger than it was 10 years ago thanks in large part to their defense spending that Trump has encouraged.

That's why I always felt it was pretty dumb to think that Trump was some kind of Russian plant doing everything Putin wants. The last thing Putin wants, maybe after support for Ukraine, is more military spending in Europe. Especially Germany which is exactly what Trump has been pushing for a decade.
 
I think there are decisions like should Poland give arms and munitions to Ukraine where Trump wants to make all the decisions. But if Russia is going to start threatening Poland, it's not going to matter what Trump wants. It's going to matter how strong Poland's military has become as well as the strengths of Poland's allies. And the answer to that is much stronger than it was 10 years ago thanks in large part to their defense spending that Trump has encouraged.

That's why I always felt it was pretty dumb to think that Trump was some kind of Russian plant doing everything Putin wants. The last thing Putin wants, maybe after support for Ukraine, is more military spending in Europe. Especially Germany which is exactly what Trump has been pushing for a decade.
I don’t follow. The 2015 Polish military plus a rock solid US security guarantee was far more powerful than the 2025 Polish military with no guarantee the US would come to their aid if they were attacked.
 
It absolutely is. It gets his endorphins firing.
Anything to get that next hit of generating liberal outrage...tricky part is its a sugar high and they start to fall apart on the crash...and then start shitposting more in hopes of getting a bigger hit next time. Its a brutal cycle to be stuck in...I do pity them in some ways.
 
That was my reaction, as well.

Trump lost his cool because he realized that Z was not going to lay down and give him a chance to match Obama by winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

For Trump it's not about a just peace or even mineral rights; it's all about the Nobel, and he had a temper tantrum when Z threw cold water on his Nobel plans.
That actually makes the most sense. I was thinking that maybe Trump or zielinski wanted to put on a sheriff of the cameras and that's why all those cameras were there, but Trump wanting to capture this for posterity is the more probable scenario.

Still surprised they didn't work all this out beforehand either behind closed doors with Trump and zielinski or with some lower level diplomats. I think the reason you don't see this with normal Presidents is that's how it's done.
 
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Trump Admin blames Zelensky

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WH is unsure they can get them to stop fighting because Plans A, B, C and through Z were Ukraine capitulates and Trump feels like a big boy that made it happen.
 
Just want to reiterate, this would not have gone off the rails if Vance had just kept his fat mouth shut.
That was just weird I assume planned-Why the Hell else would that sort of Vice President even have been there
 
That actually makes the most sense. I was thinking that maybe Trump or zielinski wanted to put on a sheriff of the cameras and that's why all those cameras were there, but Trump wanting to capture this for posterity is the more probable scenario.

Still surprised they didn't work all this out beforehand either behind closed doors with Trump and zielinski or with some lower level diplomats. I think the reason you don't see this with normal Presidents is that's how it's done.
Again, it was in the Oval Office. Zelensky has no control over what press is there. That was Trump’s call, 100%.
 
Vance didn't even need to be in there. He was there because everyone involved in the planning knows Trump can't be trusted to stay on script. Especially when he is intimidated, like he would be of Zelensky.
I assumed JD was there because Elon had other things to fuck up and couldn’t make it.
 
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