Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Ukraine has learned over the course of this war to give up territory and save its troops. That's what its doing in Kursk. I suspect they have significant entrenchments just over the border to fall back to. Interestingly, wonder if Russia could have done it without the North Koreans.?

But over on the Eastern Front, Russia appears to be exhausted.
 
Callatoroy said:
In the end it will be the US who saves ukraine from becoming part of russia. If ukraine is to blinded to see they had no path forward even with Biden levels of support then that is on them. This is a win for the US, Ukraine, and the rest of the world.
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It will be the free world that saves Ukraine. Ukraine couldn't fire missiles into Russia until recently. Ukraine couldn't go on offense without the proper artillery support which tool quite awhile to come. Ukraine had no air force to combat the air superiority that the Russians had until finally getting some planes. Everything could have been different if we were all in at the beginning. All this and supposedly against one of the best militaries in the world. Give the Ukrainians some respect.
 
tonman said:
It will be the free world that saves Ukraine. Ukraine couldn't fire missiles into Russia until recently. Ukraine couldn't go on offense without the proper artillery support which tool quite awhile to come. Ukraine had no air force to combat the air superiority that the Russians had until finally getting some planes. Everything could have been different if we were all in at the beginning. All this and supposedly against one of the best militaries in the world. Give the Ukrainians some respect.
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They have my respect. If, if, if. The fact is Biden put reins on them and I didn’t completely disagree at the time but can’t undo it. The free world without the US can’t get it done. The US will be the one entity that drives a conclusion.
 
Callatoroy said:
They have my respect. If, if, if. The fact is Biden put reins on them and I didn’t completely disagree at the time but can’t undo it. The free world without the US can’t get it done. The US will be the one entity that drives a conclusion.
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The United States is not part of the free world any longer. We are an now an adversary to every single nation which would historically be included in that group.
 


Live Updates: U.S. Envoys Head to Moscow as Kremlin Aide Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Offer​

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

Russia-Ukraine War Live Updates: U.S. Officials Head to Moscow to Push for Cease-Fire

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

“… Ukraine has said it would back a temporary cease-fire if Russia did the same — but the Kremlin official, Yuri Ushakov, appeared to cast doubt on that prospect on Thursday. He told state television that such a deal would mean “nothing other than a temporary respite for the Ukrainian military,” though he cautioned that he was only offering a preliminary opinion.

Mr. Ushakov, the Kremlin’s foreign policy aide, said that Mr. Putin was expected to weigh in on the matter and give a “concrete assessment” later on Thursday during a news conference with the visiting president of Belarus, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko. …”
 
nycfan said:


Live Updates: U.S. Envoys Head to Moscow as Kremlin Aide Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Offer​

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

Russia-Ukraine War Live Updates: U.S. Officials Head to Moscow to Push for Cease-Fire

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

“… Ukraine has said it would back a temporary cease-fire if Russia did the same — but the Kremlin official, Yuri Ushakov, appeared to cast doubt on that prospect on Thursday. He told state television that such a deal would mean “nothing other than a temporary respite for the Ukrainian military,” though he cautioned that he was only offering a preliminary opinion.

Mr. Ushakov, the Kremlin’s foreign policy aide, said that Mr. Putin was expected to weigh in on the matter and give a “concrete assessment” later on Thursday during a news conference with the visiting president of Belarus, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko. …”
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Infuriating we are enabling this bullshit. And 1/2 our country defends it. Fuck everyone of you.
 
nycfan said:


Live Updates: U.S. Envoys Head to Moscow as Kremlin Aide Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Offer​

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

Russia-Ukraine War Live Updates: U.S. Officials Head to Moscow to Push for Cease-Fire

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is weighing a U.S.-backed proposal for a 30-day truce. A Kremlin foreign policy official said such a deal would only benefit Ukraine.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

“… Ukraine has said it would back a temporary cease-fire if Russia did the same — but the Kremlin official, Yuri Ushakov, appeared to cast doubt on that prospect on Thursday. He told state television that such a deal would mean “nothing other than a temporary respite for the Ukrainian military,” though he cautioned that he was only offering a preliminary opinion.

Mr. Ushakov, the Kremlin’s foreign policy aide, said that Mr. Putin was expected to weigh in on the matter and give a “concrete assessment” later on Thursday during a news conference with the visiting president of Belarus, Aleksandr G. Lukashenko. …”
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Hold on a gosh darn minute! What's all this talk about a cease fire? I thought Donald J(esus) Trump was going to end the war within 24 hours of taking the oath. Are you fine folks trying to tell me that he didn't do just that? The war is still going on? I'm going to have to call FAKE NEWS on that. Legacy media is lying to you. That war ended because my MAGA God-Emporer said he'd end it so it must be over because Dear Leader is strong and Russia and Ukraine respects and fears him and they didn't respect or fear Joe Brandon who is now trying to wreck our economy somehow despite not being in office anymore. MAGA! MAGAA! WWG1WGA! WWEMD?
 
Callatoroy said:
They have my respect. If, if, if. The fact is Biden put reins on them and I didn’t completely disagree at the time but can’t undo it. The free world without the US can’t get it done. The US will be the one entity that drives a conclusion.
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Yes Biden put reins on...to appease Republicans in Congress who some did not want to help Ukraine because they were being directed by Trump so he can use the war as a political ploy.
 
Donald Trump is going to start WWIII. He can't control Putin and his redlines are a joke. If Obama and Sleepy Joe had done there jobs....

Did I do that right board MAGAs?
 
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