Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

[nycfan]

Ukrainian troops are not completely surrounded. Trump should have mentioned the Russians are being beaten up pretty good at Pokrovsk and toretsk.

I think the plan may be to pretend that Putin’s concession in peace talks is an act of grace of not doing a massacre at Trump’s behest (regarding Ukraine troops in Kursk). Or maybe Trump is just gullible enough to believe that is what is happening on Putin’s say so(?)

 

[nycfan]

I think the plan may be to pretend that Putin’s concession in peace talks is an act of grace of not doing a massacre at Trump’s behest (regarding Ukraine troops in Kursk). Or maybe Trump is just gullible enough to believe that is what is happening on Putin’s say so(?)

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Or maybe Putin wants Trump’s help to get Ukrainian troops out of Kursk(?), turning an internal political liability for Putin into a PR and wartime win.

 

[Duke Mu]

I think the plan may be to pretend that Putin’s concession in peace talks is an act of grace of not doing a massacre at Trump’s behest (regarding Ukraine troops in Kursk). Or maybe Trump is just gullible enough to believe that is what is happening on Putin’s say so(?)

Putin wants a cease fire to remove Ukranian troops from Kursk, re-arm, gather troops then take the rest of the Ukraine.

 

[mpaer]

Putin wants a cease fire to remove Ukranian troops from Kursk, re-arm, gather troops then take the rest of the Ukraine.

Is that sort of what orangeturd wants ?

 

[BlueSmoke]

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Or maybe Putin wants Trump’s help to get Ukrainian troops out of Kursk(?), turning an internal political liability for Putin into a PR and wartime win.

Thank you for posting. I think what may have happened was that Russia possibly with North Korean troops drove deep to the East of the Kursk bulge thru a thick woody area or something that was lightly defended. That surprised Ukraine due to the lack of American intelligence on Russian Troop movements. The new position allowed the Russians to compromise the central road supply line for Ukraine. Therefore, Ukraine simply pulled back. Had to give up the main town. But they are not surrounded as your post states (according to Ukraine's commanding General)

 

[Patb78]

I think the plan may be to pretend that Putin’s concession in peace talks is an act of grace of not doing a massacre at Trump’s behest (regarding Ukraine troops in Kursk). Or maybe Trump is just gullible enough to believe that is what is happening on Putin’s say so(?)

I think your second take is correct. He’ll take Putin’s word over everyone else’s.

 

[HandsonFire]

Im sure there are good reasons I don’t know but why can’t the EU replace the weapons and financial support the US has given. I understand the intelligence they give wouldn’t be as good as the US gives, but I would think it would be good enough.
Can they just not supply it? Are they cowards and wish not too.
Are they scared they will force the issue of how far gone the US is and the US starts supplying Russia with money and weapons pushing us closer to a Twilight Zone version of history where the Us and Russia take on Europe.
What am I missing? Why does Trump all of the sudden get to dictate the terms of peace? Ukraine was fine to keep fighting under Biden.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Im sure there are good reasons I don’t know but why can’t the EU replace the weapons and financial support the US has given. I understand the intelligence they give wouldn’t be as good as the US gives, but I would think it would be good enough.
Can they just not supply it? Are they cowards and wish not too.
Are they scared they will force the issue of how far gone the US is and the US starts supplying Russia with money and weapons pushing us closer to a Twilight Zone version of history where the Us and Russia take on Europe.
What am I missing? Why does Trump all of the sudden get to dictate the terms of peace? Ukraine was fine to keep fighting under Biden.

For U.S. weapons like Patriot defense missiles or Himars they can't. Even F-16 support, which they have and have stock, by prior agreement they can't pass to third country.

Things like 155 mm artillery shells, their production is not as high as United States. But they are trying to ramp up. But at the rate that artillery barrels are being worn out on both sides, not so sure this is a major problem.

Financial support, which is not to be underrated, they can. Ukraine's own industry is awesome and cheaper but needs the financial backing. Ukraine's arms industry is one reason Russia wants it so bad. In fact, some old Soviet arms were originally made (or parts were made) in Ukraine and when they are gone they are gone to Russia.

Germany is beginning to produce some new weapons that may be game changers for Ukraine and are just beginning to be shipped. The HX-2 drone, I am hoping could finish Russia's artillery advantage because it can target their artillery due to its further range.

 

[nycfan]

World view of a child.

 

[nycfan]

 

[BlueSmoke]

World view of a child.

You might be giving the child too much credit.

 

[milom98]

You know Trump and his campaign have to still be laughing at all the the people that bought his bluster and BS. I know that I still do and likely will until the day I die.

Trump says he was being a ‘bit sarcastic’ when he promised to end Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours​

Trump says he was being a 'bit sarcastic' when he promised to end Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours

President Donald Trump says he was “being a little bit sarcastic” when he repeatedly claimed as a candidate that he would have the Russia-Ukraine war solved within 24 hours — and before he even took office.

apnews.com

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump said Friday that he was “being a little bit sarcastic” when he repeatedly claimed as a candidate that he would have the Russia-Ukraine war solved within 24 hours — and even before he even took office.

Trump was asked about the vow he repeatedly made on the campaign trail during an interview for the “Full Measure” television program as his administration is still trying to broker a solution 54 days into his second term.

“Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that,” Trump said in a clip released ahead of the episode airing Sunday. “What I really mean is I’d like to get it settled and, I’ll, I think, I think I’ll be successful.”

It was a rare admission from Trump, who has a long record of making exaggerated claims.

Trump said at a CNN town hall in May 2023, “They’re dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying. And I’ll have that done — I’ll have that done in 24 hours.”

“That is a war that’s dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president,” Trump said during his September debate with then-Vice President Kamala Harris. “If I win, when I’m president-elect, and what I’ll do is I’ll speak to one, I’ll speak to the other. I’ll get them together.”

The Republican repeated the claim frequently on the campaign trail.

 

[nycfan]

I sincerely hope this speculative take is not true (or at least - worst case/simplest explanation -Trump’s intemperate decision to pull intel sharing was immediately exploited by Putin’s forces). Either way it casts the Trump post about preventing a “massacre” in Kursk in one of several bad to worse possible different lights, from simple regretful of the obvious risks of his decision to stunned dupe to evil collaborator.

 

[nycfan]

US envoy Witkoff leaves Moscow without cease-fire agreement after Putin rejects Trump’s terms: ‘A lot still needs to be done’​

US envoy Witkoff leaves Moscow without cease-fire agreement after Putin rejects Trump’s terms: ‘A lot still needs to be done’

Putin met with Witkoff late Thursday night — but ultimately sent him home with “signals” for Trump, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov told reporters.

nypost.com

“… Putin met with Witkoff late Thursday after having kept the American waiting since roughly 12:30 p.m., according to flight tracking data and Russian reports, but ultimately sent him home with “signals” for Trump, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov told reporters.

“A lot still needs to be done,” Peskov said of the cease-fire agreement, noting that Witkoff “presented additional information to the Russian side.”

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on Thursday, Putin demanded additional measures — a halt to the aid and intelligence-sharing, as well as forcing Ukraine not to train, reinforce or resupply its forces during the cease-fire — during remarks to the press.

Trump had responded Thursday it would be a “very disappointing moment for the world” if Putin did not agree to his cease-fire proposal. …”

 

[nycfan]

US envoy Witkoff leaves Moscow without cease-fire agreement after Putin rejects Trump’s terms: ‘A lot still needs to be done’​

US envoy Witkoff leaves Moscow without cease-fire agreement after Putin rejects Trump’s terms: ‘A lot still needs to be done’

Putin met with Witkoff late Thursday night — but ultimately sent him home with “signals” for Trump, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov told reporters.

nypost.com

“… Putin met with Witkoff late Thursday after having kept the American waiting since roughly 12:30 p.m., according to flight tracking data and Russian reports, but ultimately sent him home with “signals” for Trump, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov told reporters.

“A lot still needs to be done,” Peskov said of the cease-fire agreement, noting that Witkoff “presented additional information to the Russian side.”

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on Thursday, Putin demanded additional measures — a halt to the aid and intelligence-sharing, as well as forcing Ukraine not to train, reinforce or resupply its forces during the cease-fire — during remarks to the press.

Trump had responded Thursday it would be a “very disappointing moment for the world” if Putin did not agree to his cease-fire proposal. …”

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The Kremlin kept Donald Trump's special envoy waiting for eight hours before he left just hours later, in a 'classic Putin power play'.

Mr Trump's chief negotiator Steve Witkoff spent two thirds of his just 12 hours in the Russian capital waiting before he could deliver the US President's proposals for a 30-day ceasefire.

Pictures showed his motorcade arriving at Moscow's Vnukovo airport at around midday on Thursday, before he was kept hanging around for up to eight hours.

Such a move is considered highly disrespectful in international diplomacy.

Sky News reported that Mr Witkoff's meeting was delayed while Mr Putin was meeting Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko who arrived on Thursday for a hastily arranged state visit.

Mr Witkoff was finally seen by the Russian leader behind closed doors well after nightfall.

He then departed four hours later at 2am - just before Vnukovo airport was closed due to a Ukrainian drone strike. …”

Donald Trump's 'fixer' is 'kept waiting for eight hours' to meet Putin

Mr Trump's chief negotiator Steve Witkoff spent two thirds of his just 12 hours in the Russian capital waiting before he could deliver the US President's proposals for a 30-day ceasefire.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

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[nycfan]

I sincerely hope this speculative take is not true (or at least - worst case/simplest explanation -Trump’s intemperate decision to pull intel sharing was immediately exploited by Putin’s forces). Either way it casts the Trump post about preventing a “massacre” in Kursk in one of several bad to worse possible different lights, from simple regretful of the obvious risks of his decision to stunned dupe to evil collaborator.

 

[nycfan]

Kremlin told U.S. it didn't want Trump's Ukraine-Russia envoy at peace talks​

Keith Kellogg “is a former American general, too close to Ukraine. Not our kind of person, not of the caliber we are looking for,” a Russian official told NBC News.

Kremlin told U.S. it didn't want Trump's Ukraine-Russia envoy at peace talks

Keith Kellogg “is a former American general, too close to Ukraine. Not our kind of person, not of the caliber we are looking for,” a Russian official told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

“… Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg was conspicuously absent from two recent summits in Saudi Arabia — one with Russian officials and the other with Ukrainians — even though the talks come under his remit.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin thought he was too pro-Ukraine, a senior Russian official with direct knowledge of the Kremlin’s thinking told NBC News.

“Kellogg is a former American general, too close to Ukraine. Not our kind of person, not of the caliber we are looking for,” according to the official, who is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

A U.S. official in the Trump administration, who is also not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed that Russia did not want Kellogg involved. The official did not know when that was communicated to the White House. …”

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Kellogg spent years being a retired general Super-MAGA on Fox and this is what it gets him, I guess.

 

[nycfan]

“… Ukraine had hoped to cling onto territory in Kursk as a bargaining chip in peace talks, but Ukrainian officials said it was necessary to pull out to preserve lives.

“The military command is doing what it should, preserving as many lives as possible of our warriors,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskytold reporters Wednesday.

Critics of the operation said the withdrawal proved it was a wasteful folly that squandered some of Ukraine’s best troops and their U.S.-supplied armored vehicles, sorely needed on other fronts in Ukraine.

But some analysts said Ukraine, outnumbered and outgunned by its giant neighbor, was justified in trying something unorthodox.

“What is one bad option among a host of bad options?” said Nick Reynolds, research fellow for land warfare at the Royal United Services Institute in London.

“Ukraine has been faced with dilemma after dilemma.” …”

 

[nycfan]