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I consider myself a thoughtful person. I score pretty high on that metric. I don't think this would affect the way I think of the night sky one iota.
I'm fine with providing a modifier for you, that is, "generally speaking"no thoughtful person would see the night sky in the same way. But I am baffled by this stance and if you care to, would like you to write a few sentences about underlying reasons for "not being affected one iota." That in the context of thinking of the universe we are in.

All actual knowledge we have had was at least consistent with the possibility that life on Earth was a singular event in the universe, or--and this is what is described as informed speculation--that it so far at least it had looked like life is exceptionally rare in our own time frame. I can explain this part further if it's needed, but we exist not only in a very small space in the universe but also in an even smaller segment of time the universe has existed and will exist. If this result is confirmed we have shifted into a view of the universe in which other life is both in our time, and relatively close and way different from our own. You may or may not also consider such details as part of your rejection of being affected in any way.
 
I have a similar perspective as super.

My own reasoning, since childhood I've assumed life exists somewhere in the night sky. The technology hasn't existed to confirm distant life, but scientists have made many well informed estimates of a mind-boggling number of planets and moons within habitable zones, just within the Milky Way. The Milky Way is highly likely one of hundreds of billions of galaxies, possibly trillions. The presence of, at minimum, cellular or cellular analog life follows with the large numbers. The limitations to discovering extraterrestrial life has long been technological, not statistical; that we have technologies to possibly detect more granular evidence of the overwhelming statistical likelihood make me go "cool." not "whoa!".
Well, "cool," for me, counts as what I started with, which is not looking at the sky of stars in the same way.
 
I'm fine with providing a modifier for you, that is, "generally speaking"no thoughtful person would see the night sky in the same way. But I am baffled by this stance and if you care to, would like you to write a few sentences about underlying reasons for "not being affected one iota." That in the context of thinking of the universe we are in.
When I look at the night sky, I've never been interested in whether we are alone in the universe. I'm more interested in where is dark matter exactly, whether it's even matter at all or simply evidence of the imperfection of Einstein's equations for space time, are neutrinos real or mathematical artefacts, etc. Different emphases.
 
National Science Foundation being destroyed, with attendant diverse damages, and I don't expect any sort of recovery during our lifetimes.
I've seen a lot of talk like this: damage will be permanent; never rebuild; etc. Could you explain why?

From an abstract perspective, it would seem that you could just rehire the people who got axed. In some cases, perhaps, the actual people; in other cases, people of comparable credentials. The longer it remains shuttered, of course, the harder it would be but let's say it gets fixed in 2027 or 2029. It's not as if everyone will have just forgotten how to run an NSF?

I suspect that there are several factors that I'm either unaware of or are downplaying in importance.
 
When I look at the night sky, I've never been interested in whether we are alone in the universe. I'm more interested in where is dark matter exactly, whether it's even matter at all or simply evidence of the imperfection of Einstein's equations for space time, are neutrinos real or mathematical artefacts, etc. Different emphases.
While your comment on dark energy could be debatable, the nonexistence of neutrinos cannot.
 
While your comment on dark energy could be debatable, the nonexistence of neutrinos cannot.
To be honest, I wanted a list of three for some reason, but could only think of two of the top of my head, so I just made some shit up for #3.

I've been laid up last night and today with a nasty stomach bug, so I'm taking liberties.
 
To be honest, I wanted a list of three for some reason, but could only think of two of the top of my head, so I just made some shit up for #3.

I've been laid up last night and today with a nasty stomach bug, so I'm taking liberties.
I hope you're feeling better soon.
 
Why are they doing this? I just don’t understand what they think is the benefit to destroying our lead in scientific and medical research. What possible benefit is there to MAGA dipshits?
 
Being in an area with little-to-zero light pollution gives one a different view of the sky. It gives one an impressively better and more detailed view of the night sky.

Being in an area with zero light pollution didn’t change how I look at the stars or how I view the likelihood of intelligent life somewhere out there (I’ve thought it exists as long as I remember - I wasn’t brought up believing in any creationist mythology).

I’ve been to the Brooks Range, the Alaska Range (Denali, Foraker, etc.), the Kenai Peninsula, boats 100 miles from any land east of the Windward Islands in the Atlantic……..the view of the night sky is incredible in such places.

It lets you know how much light pollution exists in Western North Carolina, West Virginia, Northern Maine, Gulf of Maine, Adirondacks in Upstate Maine, Glacier in Montana, Yellowstone, the Olympic Peninsula……….remote places all.
 
Why are they doing this? I just don’t understand what they think is the benefit to destroying our lead in scientific and medical research. What possible benefit is there to MAGA dipshits?
I assumme the DOGE boys have some kind of "program Analyzer" search code If there is a program called "STEM For Minorites" or for females-it is an automatic kick out of the whole budget
 
I assumme the DOGE boys have some kind of "program Analyzer" search code If there is a program called "STEM For Minorites" or for females-it is an automatic kick out of the whole budget
I think that's some of it - killing anything and everything with a "DEI" cast. But they're wiping out all scientific and medical research. It's well beyond DEI in effect but I think in intent also.
 
If “diversity” is part of a scientist’s research, it’s flagged and flagged in a negative manner.

Apply for an NSF grant to study the “Diversity of Fauna on the Hawaiian Islands” and you’re screwed.
 

A Baby Received a Custom Crispr Treatment in Record Time​

Scientists were able to create a bespoke treatment for KJ Muldoon’s rare genetic disorder within six months. It could be a blueprint for potentially life-saving, gene-editing Crispr therapies.


“LAST AUGUST, KJ Muldoon was born with a potentially fatal genetic disorder. Just six months later, he received a Crispr treatmentdesigned just for him.

Muldoon has a rare disorder known as CPS1 deficiency, which causes a dangerous amount of ammonia to build up in the blood. About half of babies born with it will die early in life. Current treatment options—a highly restrictive diet and liver transplantation—aren’t ideal. But a team at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and Penn Medicine was able to bypass the standard years-long drug development timeline and use Cripsr to create a personalized medicine for KJ in a matter of months.

… Since KJ’s birth, he has been on special ammonia-reducing medicines and a low-protein diet. After receiving the bespoke Crispr drug, though, KJ was able to go on a lower dose of the medication and start eating more protein without any serious side effects. He’s still in the hospital, but his doctors hope to send him home in the next month or so.

… the Crispr treatment probably turned KJ’s severe deficiency into a milder form of the disease, but he may still need to be on medication in the future. …”
 
When I look at the night sky, I've never been interested in whether we are alone in the universe. I'm more interested in where is dark matter exactly, whether it's even matter at all or simply evidence of the imperfection of Einstein's equations for space time, are neutrinos real or mathematical artefacts, etc. Different emphases.
To be honest, I wanted a list of three for some reason, but could only think of two of the top of my head, so I just made some shit up for #3.

Super - I know that I should probably leave this alone, but your two answers have been gnawing at me since you wrote them earlier this week. You often accuse others of inserting themselves into conversations about topics that they aren't experts in, being dismissive of the experts' thoughts/feelings on a topic, and just throwing out buzzwords to sound knowledgeable in the subject matter.

Show me how your responses above are more than that.

Because, on my end, it's fine to not really think that the existence of life on other planets is going to change how you look at the stars, but then to turn around and say, "actually, academic concepts such as X, Y, Z are the things I think about instead," only to then admit that you just made up a topic because you wanted to follow the rule of 3, comes off not only as kinda condescending, but also somewhat vapid in nature.

If that wasn't your intent, I apologize, but I'd like to know what your intent was instead.
 
Last year, I went out with some friends to the Eddy restaurant in Saxapahaw. and we brought their dog, named "Boone" (my friend graduated from App). He is a sweet dog, and incredibly friendly. While we were sitting outside, he went to go introduce himself to a family at the table next to us. The family asked us if their daughter, who loved dogs, could pet him. Our friends said that she could. The mom asked his name. When we told her, the daughter said smugly, and dismissively, in that way that only a six year old child can be cocky, "Oh, I've known a thousand dogs named Boone." We kind of wanted to yeet her over the balcony.

For some reason, supe's posts reminded me of that story.
 

In 2006, astronomy lovers mourned the demotion of what had been the Solar System’s ninth planet: Pluto. A decade later, researchers hypothesized that there still might be a ninth planet after all, lurking hundreds of times farther from the Sun than Earth, and detectable mainly by the way it warps the orbits of the objects around it.

Now, in a paper posted last week on the arXiv preprint server, a team of astronomers from Taiwan, Japan, and Australia claims it has found hints of the so-called Planet Nine in archival images of the night sky. Some experts are skeptical that the signal, just a single pair of faint dots, will survive scrutiny and follow-up observations. But if it does, the object lies on an orbit far outside the original Planet Nine prediction—rendering it an entirely different planet.

This mismatch “doesn’t mean it’s not there, but it means it’s not Planet Nine,” says Mike Brown, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology who, along with his colleague Konstantin Batygin, came up with the Planet Nine proposal nearly a decade ago. “I don’t think this planet would have any of the effects on the Solar System that we think we’re seeing.”

The existing evidence for Planet Nine comes from the most distant objects in the Kuiper belt, a region of space beyond the orbit of Neptune. The orbits of some Kuiper belt objects appear to be unusually clustered and aligned, despite being too far from the influence of Neptune’s gravity. By repeatedly simulating the evolution of the Solar System and comparing it with real observations, Batygin and Brown determined these objects’ unusual orbits could be due to the gravitational tugs of a faraway world roughly five to 10 times more massive than Earth that orbits the Sun once every 10,000 years.

“It is pretty amazing to think that something as big as Neptune could be sitting out there and no one would have ever noticed it,” says Gary Bernstein, an astronomer at the University of Pennsylvania. “But if you put it far enough away, it gets fainter and fainter very fast.”

Most Planet Nine searches have looked for the object’s reflection in visible light: sunlight that must first reach the object and then reflect off its surface back to Earth, getting dimmer the entire time. That’s why Terry Long Phan, an astronomy graduate student at National Tsing Hua University, and his Ph.D. adviser, astronomer Tomotsugu Goto, decided to search for Planet Nine’s intrinsic glow in the far infrared, a signal that travels directly to Earth and could potentially appear stronger.

Phan and Goto used sky surveys from two infrared space telescopes launched 23 years apart: the Infrared Astronomy Satellite (IRAS), a NASA-Netherlands-U.K. satellite launched in 1983; and AKARI, a Japanese satellite launched in 2006. Because of Planet Nine’s long orbit, the researchers hypothesized that the time gap between the two data sets would be enough to see the potential planet move incrementally across the night sky.

From an initial catalog of about 2 million objects within the IRAS and AKARI data sets, the researchers whittled down to pairs of dots of light whose spacing could be explained by a moving planet with a Planet Nine–like mass and distance. Then, they removed known sources such as stars, sources that didn’t move over time, and sources with too much noise, such as those near the bright galactic center. When 13 pairs remained, they checked each by eye. Only one candidate pair survived the scrutiny. The two dots had matching colors and brightnesses—a sign they were the same object.

“I felt very excited,” Phan recalls, not least because a previous study using the same surveys found no candidates. “It’s motivated us a lot.” The new work has been accepted for publication in the Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia.

However, when Brown, who was not involved in the work, calculated the candidate signal’s orbit himself, he found that the planet would have an orbit tilted roughly 120° from the plane of the Solar System: a tilt so extreme that the planet would orbit the Sun in the opposite direction than the other planets. Brown’s models predict that to explain the clustering of distant Kuiper belt objects, Planet Nine needs an orbit tilted only about 15° to 20° from the plane of the Solar System.

If Phan and Goto’s signal really is a far-off planet, its existence would ironically disprove the original Planet Nine, as the two planets could not coexist without making each other’s orbits unstable, Brown adds. “It’s kind of fun that a paper that purports to find a candidate for Planet Nine is really finding something that would basically say that we were wrong the entire time.”

But that’s only if the faint infrared clue holds up after future observations. For one, Bernstein says, it’s difficult to confirm that only two tiny pinpricks of light at such far distances from Earth are anything other than noise—or unrelated impostor objects such as asteroids, stars, or galaxies.

Still others aren’t convinced that a planet, Planet Nine or otherwise, is needed to explain the orbits of objects past Neptune. University of Regina astronomer Samantha Lawler believes the apparent clustering in the Kuiper belt could be explained by biased observations of what is actually a uniform distribution of objects. “It would be really cool if there was some kind of pattern there,” she says. “But I am not convinced, with current data, that you can’t just go with the simplest explanation.”

Later this year, though, more data will flood in as the Vera C. Rubin Observatory comes online. From its perch in Chile’s Atacama Desert, Rubin will scan the southern sky for 10 years in unprecedented detail—and Brown and Batygin think if Planet Nine is real, Rubin has a good chance of finding it. But whether the telescope spots Goto and Phan’s source or another planet instead, Batygin says he would still cheer on the discovery: “I would be the first person to say, ‘That is not Planet Nine—that is Planet 8.5.’”
 
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