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If Drummond strangles Mark, he dies right? Like Mark Scout the outie dies. But Lumon probably doesn't worry about making someone disappear. That's why they have their goons.
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Disagree. He’s operating on a few sure pieces of information 1. If he walks out that door, he dies. 2. With Cold Harbor finished, the likelihood is all the people he knows die, including the only person he’s ever loved. 3. He’s equipped to fight back.Innie Mark is a jackass.
He’s already successfully fought back, and that engenders confidence, if not outright delusion of agency. He has become the connective tissue of the innie world, and it’s clear the innie world has a lot of angst to leverage, see Brianne of Tarth.Anyhow, his ability to fight back? How is he equipped? I mean now he knows they will wilfully kill him so it's way more dangerous.
Mark Scout is trapped in Mark S. As the reintegration proceeds, presumably in a step-wise vs linear fashion, Mark Scout will emerge within Lumon and likely with knowledge of the choice Mark S. just made. I presume it's going to be like someone drowning breaking the surface, and desperately attempting to claw back the prospect of life.Can we see more of Mark Scout though??
So, such a great question, but we have been taught (by Mark S, with some justified anger) that we can never just say "Mark" again. Gemma, from Mark S's perspective would be trying to kill Mark S by "freeing" the Mark S/Mark Scout body (life form, substrate... I don't even...) from inside Lumon. This is why in the video cam argument, as it builds, Mark S gets so angry, but also because he would lose the only love he has ever known, and she likely dies. Getting Mark Scout out of there is an act of "sacrifice" not that much unlike the goat, but not for lunatic religion, but for the goals of Mark Scout and Devon.Mark S. you disappoint me.
Will Season 3 be Gemma trying to save Mark?
Also considered Drummond's insane line, "The beast will be entombed with a cherished woman," but I truly believe the Helly quote is a massive signifier for the season--and the show. Earlier Mark S still believes Helly is Helena (she is not in this hallway scene) and Helly pleads, sadly, almost hopelessly, "I'm not her! I'm not her, Mark!" Polar opposite declarations. I am a mammal nurturing the strange theory that Helly and Helena have some how, some way reintegrated. Perhaps to a degree. It's part of the "equator" bit out of nowhere. Equate... Helena despises her father.Alternate thread episode title: "Has it verve?"
I agree. They might have given us some foreshadowing along those lines. Jame Eagan came onto the severed floor to marvel at the intangible Kier quality Helly has that Jame has been desperately seeking in his offspring. Does he try to pull off a reverse glasgow block/OT and swap Helena for Helly, allowing Helly to live in the outside world? And imagine how that would complicate a reintegrated Mark trying to restart his life with Gemma.I wonder if they will try to figure out how to make [Helly] the dominant personality.
Yes, to be entombed with that poor goat (what great acting by that goat--they must have done dozens of takes to get the little guy to look all the right ways in that scene). Gemma, as not one of the 25 innies, and not Ms Casey (we assume that innie is dead forever) but in Lumon was to be killed. Drummond, to my continuing surprise as the season has emerged, was a kind of high priest of this bizarre cult, which has aspects of many cults but primarily Scientology.1. So all along they were going to kill Gemma cause they were done with their experiment (and then the goat escort). It wasn't a torture room.
Yep. If you've seen the best Scientology documentaries, this series is even more scary. I like My Scientology Movie best.They simply wanted the ultimate memory test and then discard of her like garbage. They have done this to many people before. IT'S A FUCKING CULT SCIENCE COMPANY. Scientology anyone?
One of the best human monsters since the guy in No Country for Old Men, and the hair seems a reference there.2. Drummond was fine killing Mark because Mark was useless at that point. Drummond was also clearly a horrible person.
This show, in a just world, should take every single possible Emmy Award.3. Milchick is such a fool. Also Trammell better win a fucking Emmy. HE BETTER.
Right, Mark S. pushing through that door to Gemma would be suicide for him, and possibly kill Helly. Impossible choice and to me makes him human and no jackass.4. Innie Mark is a jackass. The whole episode was intense (great mood music) as Hell. I hated the end. But it makes season 3 have a foundation. I guess it's about Gemma now - because now, the Innies cannot leave. When they leave, they aren't coming back.
Lumon, which is rich but a cloistered group of fanatics, may be in chaos at that point. Millchick stopped in his tracks faced with the marching band against him. Does he now flip? I have zero idea, but I was wrong about what his "Grow" statements to himself meant.5. Where do the stairs go? She has to get out of there FAST
I thought they were Gemma files that they were not nearly as good at as Mark S was. {{??}}6. Who are the torture people that Helly, Irving and Dylan are working on?
Amazing ideas there. When Helly moved towards Jame with a pen, as he could see, potentially to stab him, he was pleased. Much earlier he insulted Helena with the words "Fetid moppet" and she had no reaction against him. The most she has done is eating eggs the wrong way.I agree. They might have given us some foreshadowing along those lines. Jame Eagan came onto the severed floor to marvel at the intangible Kier quality Helly has that Jame has been desperately seeking in his offspring. Does he try to pull off a reverse glasgow block/OT and swap Helena for Helly, allowing Helly to live in the outside world? And imagine how that would complicate a reintegrated Mark trying to restart his life with Gemma.
The crux of this show is definitely a dual-personality Mark being forced to decide between the two women he loves.
Nah they were working on something else... Mark completed 25 files himselfYes, to be entombed with that poor goat (what great acting by that goat--they must have done dozens of takes to get the little guy to look all the right ways in that scene). Gemma, as not one of the 25 innies, and not Ms Casey (we assume that innie is dead forever) but in Lumon was to be killed. Drummond, to my continuing surprise as the season has emerged, was a kind of high priest of this bizarre cult, which has aspects of many cults but primarily Scientology.
Yep. If you've seen the best Scientology documentaries, this series is even more scary. I like My Scientology Movie best.
One of the best human monsters since the guy in No Country for Old Men, and the hair seems a reference there.
This show, in a just world, should take every single possible Emmy Award.
Right, Mark S. pushing through that door to Gemma would be suicide for him, and possibly kill Helly. Impossible choice and to me makes him human and no jackass.
Lumon, which is rich but a cloistered group of fanatics, may be in chaos at that point. Millchick stopped in his tracks faced with the marching band against him. Does he now flip? I have zero idea, but I was wrong about what his "Grow" statements to himself meant.
I thought they were Gemma files that they were not nearly as good at as Mark S was. {{??}}
Same way that people with amnesia remember basic life skills, communication, etc. Those are things that always stay with you even when you can’t remember your past.Nah they were working on something else... Mark completed 25 files himself
I still wish they would explain how innies know lots of basic life skills and communication and things but whatever
They’ve used the Helena/Helly face in water motif at least 3 times. Waterfall drowning, swimming at dad’s house and in the animation video they were shown post OT where Helly was bobbing for pineapples.Amazing ideas there. When Helly moved towards Jame with a pen, as he could see, potentially to stab him, he was pleased. Much earlier he insulted Helena with the words "Fetid moppet" and she had no reaction against him. The most she has done is eating eggs the wrong way.
I thought in her swimming scene at the mansion one shot did look like the drowning scene at the waterfall.
Drummond even died thanks to a bolt pistol - the same weapon of choice that Chigurh used in No Country for Old MenYes, to be entombed with that poor goat (what great acting by that goat--they must have done dozens of takes to get the little guy to look all the right ways in that scene). Gemma, as not one of the 25 innies, and not Ms Casey (we assume that innie is dead forever) but in Lumon was to be killed. Drummond, to my continuing surprise as the season has emerged, was a kind of high priest of this bizarre cult, which has aspects of many cults but primarily Scientology.
Yep. If you've seen the best Scientology documentaries, this series is even more scary. I like My Scientology Movie best.
One of the best human monsters since the guy in No Country for Old Men, and the hair seems a reference there.
This show, in a just world, should take every single possible Emmy Award.
Right, Mark S. pushing through that door to Gemma would be suicide for him, and possibly kill Helly. Impossible choice and to me makes him human and no jackass.
Lumon, which is rich but a cloistered group of fanatics, may be in chaos at that point. Millchick stopped in his tracks faced with the marching band against him. Does he now flip? I have zero idea, but I was wrong about what his "Grow" statements to himself meant.
I thought they were Gemma files that they were not nearly as good at as Mark S was. {{??}}
I'm assuming they wall off the area of the brain that holds more profound, personal memories.Nah they were working on something else... Mark completed 25 files himself
I still wish they would explain how innies know lots of basic life skills and communication and things but whatever
Digression alert, but I think you'll like it...I'm assuming they wall off the area of the brain that holds more profound, personal memories.