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Does DEI take things like race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, etc into account when making decisions?It isn't helping for racists and those that don't understand what DEI is all about.
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Does DEI take things like race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, etc into account when making decisions?It isn't helping for racists and those that don't understand what DEI is all about.
@superrificOne is primarily focused on race. The other is focused on race, gender, sex, etc. I will take to my grave that continuing to make superficial characteristics, like skin color, important is contrary to what we should want. if we considered hair color in hiring, you would recognize the silliness of such actions.
I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. I'm also not saying that human nature doesn't mean we are naturally inclined to surrounding ourselves with people who are "like" ourselves. I'm just saying that continuing to make the irrelevant relevant, even with good intentions, isn't helping.
imagine a world where it was noticed how few gingers are in CEO positions. To fix the issue, universities collectively decided to modify admissions requirements to admit more students with red hair into their schools of business.
Of course, bias against red hair is ancient and generally connected to racism. One claim is Judas Iscariot was redheaded. Another blames it on the brutality of Thracian warriors. An acquaintance of mine had red hair as the mark of Cain (Kane, in his spelling) in a sword and sorcery series. There are still manifestations of it in the modern world and laws have been considered.@superrific
Not to belabor the point about hair color, but imagine a world where it was noticed how few gingers are in CEO positions. To fix the issue, universities collectively decided to modify admissions requirements to admit more students with red hair into their schools of business.
Seems reasonable, right? There's an issue and, by God, we aren't going to tolerate anti-ginger sentiment in this country!
We discussed this before. You insisted DEI cannot exist without this type of discrimination in hiring.Here's where the divide seems to exist between Democrats and Republicans, even including MAGA....
Being not only tolerant, but accepting of all races/nationalities, religions, sexes, etc is not the same as having policies that are actively discriminatory by prioritizing non-white, non-male, non-cis, non-straight people.
Sure. Why not. If we are going to consider melanin in skin for college admissions, job hiring and SCOTUS appointments, why not consider melanin in hair for college admissions, job hiring and SCOTUS appointments?You're not being serious here, are you?
Sure. Why not. If we are going to consider melanin in skin for college admissions, job hiring and SCOTUS appointments, why not consider melanin in hair for college admissions, job hiring and SCOTUS appointments?
I mean, @finesse just laid out historical justification for it.
It's probably best for you not to pursue this line of thinking. Trivializing the very real pain, the very real oppression visited upon black people in this country by comparing it to a nothing is blatantly offensive. You aren't making a good point-- you're just showing a willingness not just to compare apples to oranges, but apples to bits of molds on crusty bread. Analogies have to be apt to be effective, and this isn't apt at all.Not to belabor the point about hair color, but imagine a world where it was noticed how few gingers are in CEO positions. To fix the issue, universities collectively decided to modify admissions requirements to admit more students with red hair into their schools of business.
Seems reasonable, right? There's an issue and, by God, we aren't going to tolerate anti-ginger sentiment in this country!
Of course not, but DEI isn't just about skin melanin. That's just one aspect that I referenced because it fit easily with hair melanin.You think gingers were subject to something equivalent to Jim Crow constraints, and are in disproportionately impoverished neighborhoods and underrepresented in colleges, universities, and white collar jobs right now?
I'm not trivializing the mistreatment of any given group, including black people. I'm disputing the belief that the best course of action to resolve discrimination is a different type of discrimination.It's probably best for you not to pursue this line of thinking. Trivializing the very real pain, the very real oppression visited upon black people in this country by comparing it to a nothing is blatantly offensive. You aren't making a good point-- you're just showing a willingness not just to compare apples to oranges, but apples to bits of molds on crusty bread. Analogies have to be apt to be effective, and this isn't apt at all.
Also, there is such a thing as hair discrimination, so there's that.
Yes, you are. Surely you can see that. If not, I can't help you. Either way, I'm not going to engage with this bullshit. It is deeply offensive and it makes me upset. Next time a gunman walks into a church to shoot and kill as many red-haired people as possible, maybe we can talk.I'm not trivializing the mistreatment of any given group, including black people.
Next, we will replace hello with fuck you.lol at removing a “Be kind to everyone” plaque. What the fuck are we doing here?
What decisions do you think they are making?Does DEI take things like race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, etc into account when making decisions?
Everyone would prefer to "resolve discrimination" by simply ending it in all forms. But it is exceedingly difficult to change hearts and minds. In the meantime, maybe the best we can do is help those that have historically been disadvantaged as a result of discrimination, including discrimination sanctioned and perpetrated by the federal and state governments. That doesn't require changing hearts, it just requires having one.I'm disputing the belief that the best course of action to resolve discrimination is a different type of discrimination.
No, he, like other maga cultist, cannot see it.Yes, you are. Surely you can see that. If not, I can't help you. Either way, I'm not going to engage with this bullshit. It is deeply offensive and it makes me upset. Next time a gunman walks into a church to shoot and kill as many red-haired people as possible, maybe we can talk.
Yes he is.You're not being serious here, are you?
"But it is exceedingly difficult to change hearts and minds."Everyone would prefer to "resolve discrimination" by simply ending it in all forms. But it is exceedingly difficult to change hearts and minds. In the meantime, maybe the best we can do is help those that have historically been disadvantaged as a result of discrimination, including discrimination sanctioned and perpetrated by the federal and state governments. That doesn't require changing hearts, it just requires having one.
DEI is also about, among other things, whether you want your naughty parts touched by someone with the same genitals as you or different genitals than you and whether you believe, in your mind, you should have a penis or vagina.
Congratulations on being the biggest possible piece of shit about other people's sexuality and gender. You've really set the bar on this for assholes everywhere.Of course not, but DEI isn't just about skin melanin. That's just one aspect that I referenced because it fit easily with hair melanin.
DEI is also about, among other things, whether you want your naughty parts touched by someone with the same genitals as you or different genitals than you and whether you believe, in your mind, you should have a penis or vagina.