So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

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What you're describing sounds like what is normally referred to as 'packing', which I thought was disallowed.

Either way, yes, there is a Democratic obsession with race and, as I mentioned before, tinkering and "fixing" racial issues that often don't exist.
When it's well meaning liberals that do it, it's ensuring that minorities have adequate representation. When it's devious conservatives that do it, it's a nefarious plan to gerrymander themselves into power. It ends up being the same thing.

That is how we got North Carolina's twelfth Congressional district by the way. Mel Watt, who was Harvey Gantt's campaign manager and very political connected, wanted a safe and secure district. He got it, Republicans were more than happy to help him do it.
 
When it's well meaning liberals that do it, it's ensuring that minorities have adequate representation. When it's devious conservatives that do it, it's a nefarious plan to gerrymander themselves into power. It ends up being the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. One of them is the result of a landmark civil rights law passed pursuant to Congress' power under the 14th Amendment clause 5, (The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article), to rectify historical injustice and ongoing discrimination.

Naked political gerrymandering is required by no law and has no salutary purpose. It isn't created by federal statute; it has basically no defenders (just people who say that legislatures can do it, which isn't the same as saying it's good); and it's done with an eye to gaining majority control when no majority exists. Next time black people hold 80% of a state's seats while comprising 40% of the population, then we can talk.

Not sure why you are so against the rule of law or the constitution, but whatever. If the Pubs want to get rid of majority-minority districts, they can do so through legislation.
 


"I'm open to immigration, I just think it should be legal. I also think we need a strong border and significant immigration reform."

Does anyone on this message board actually *disagree* with this?

Part of the problem here is that we believe that going after the businesses who hire illegal workers and profit off of them are *part of the problem* that needs to be addressed for any significant change to happen.

Another part of the problem here is that the right just makes shit up that it *wants* those of us who are woke to believe, but which we really don't believe. But soldier on, Don Quixote.
 
When it's well meaning liberals that do it, it's ensuring that minorities have adequate representation. When it's devious conservatives that do it, it's a nefarious plan to gerrymander themselves into power. It ends up being the same thing.

That is how we got North Carolina's twelfth Congressional district by the way. Mel Watt, who was Harvey Gantt's campaign manager and very political connected, wanted a safe and secure district. He got it, Republicans were more than happy to help him do it.
not all redistricting is gerrymandering. do you know where the word comes from?
 
"I'm open to immigration, I just think it should be legal. I also think we need a strong border and significant immigration reform."

Does anyone on this message board actually *disagree* with this?

Part of the problem here is that we believe that going after the businesses who hire illegal workers and profit off of them are *part of the problem* that needs to be addressed for any significant change to happen.

Another part of the problem here is that the right just makes shit up that it *wants* those of us who are woke to believe, but which we really don't believe. But soldier on, Don Quixote.
"Does anyone on this message board actually *disagree* with this?"

The question of whether or not someone disagrees with it is separate from whether or not the person suggesting it is racist, xenophobic etc.

Those who have expressed support for a secure border, as I have, have very much been labeled xenophobic and racist during those conversations.
 
"Does anyone on this message board actually *disagree* with this?"

The question of whether or not someone disagrees with it is separate from whether or not the person suggesting it is racist, xenophobic etc.

Those who have expressed support for a secure border, as I have, have very much been labeled xenophobic and racist during those conversations.

That's not *because* you want a strong border, Einstein.
 
That's not *because* you want a strong border, Einstein.
Sure it is. I've never expressed any issue with Mexicans, South or Central Americans due to the color of their skin or nationality. I mock the attention that Democrats put on the amount of melanin in people's skin.
 
Part of the problem here is that we believe that going after the businesses who hire illegal workers and profit off of them are *part of the problem* that needs to be addressed for any significant change to happen.
And we need to address all the drug addicts in this country There would be no supply issue if there was not such a demand
 
"Does anyone on this message board actually *disagree* with this?"

The question of whether or not someone disagrees with it is separate from whether or not the person suggesting it is racist, xenophobic etc.

Those who have expressed support for a secure border, as I have, have very much been labeled xenophobic and racist during those conversations.
Your favored enforcement methods are dead giveaways.
 
Sure it is. I've never expressed any issue with Mexicans, South or Central Americans due to the color of their skin or nationality. I mock the attention that Democrats put on the amount of melanin in people's skin.
Maybe not. Likewise, white people in the south didn't have any issue with black people. It's just that they prosecuted black people for their crimes, while not prosecuting white people who committed crimes against black people.

This is why we think a "strong border" is racist: because you give it far, far, far more importance than it actually deserves. As we have repeatedly noted, immigration is not only good for America, it's necessary for America. Moreover, what problems might be created by "illegal" immigration are tiny and much less severe than other problems that you folks like to overlook. Then you give purportedly race-neutral explanations, except none of those explanations hold water. That you cling to your animosity against crossing of the southern border despite the falseness of your claims about it -- it's evidence of irrationality. I suppose it's not necessary to infer racism from irrationality, except that racism is frequently the most common type of irrationality.

For instance: immigrants commit crimes less often than natural born citizens. So the anti-crime explanation is complete bullshit. We've gone through this before, and you've tried to disagree with arithmetic. Well, when you are fighting basic math, then your position is irrational and we have to ask, "why is this guy fighting basic math?" Why is he acting on this issue completely differently than he acts on any other issue? Like, does this guy think lettuce is fattening because it has positive calories, even though its calories are way less than, say, hot dogs? That's your logic on immigration.

Another way of asking the question: why not raise the caps or in fact eliminate them? We don't have to offer welfare to non-citizens, and if we don't, nobody will come to the US looking for handouts. Why isn't that a better solution than a wall? Of course it is. There's no argument for a wall except irrationality, and gee, why ever would we think that the GOP are racist?
 
Sure it is. I've never expressed any issue with Mexicans, South or Central Americans due to the color of their skin or nationality. I mock the attention that Democrats put on the amount of melanin in people's skin.

No it isn't. Quit making shit up. Name one person on this board who thinks that wanting strong borders is racist. Just one.
 
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It depends on what is meant by strong borders. Trump's wall was racist AF.

The wall is an inanimate object.

Saying that illegal immigrants are murderers and rapists, "and some, I suppose, are good people" is racist AF
 
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