Somebody tell me about Satan

superrific said:
Yeah, I've always wondered why Judas gets a bad rap. Jesus said the purpose of his life was to die a martyr and thus forgive everyone their sins. In order for that plan to work, someone had to make him a martyr. How can it be a sin -- let alone a mortal one -- to help God execute The Plan?
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Borges wrote a short piece about this (Three Versions of Judas)...
 
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superrific said:
Yeah, I've always wondered why Judas gets a bad rap. Jesus said the purpose of his life was to die a martyr and thus forgive everyone their sins. In order for that plan to work, someone had to make him a martyr. How can it be a sin -- let alone a mortal one -- to help God execute The Plan?
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Pretty sure that was an after-the-fact explanation and not something Jesus said.
 
finesse said:
Considering the provenance of the Gospels, I wouldn't parse the "words" of Jesus too closely.
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So, I'm a Christian. Love the gospels. But one of the things I love the most is thinking about his followers gathering months or years after the crucifixion and thinking, maybe we should write down some of the things he said?

I happen to think a lot of the quotes from Q are probably fairly close to what Jesus actually said. But I REALLY love that the actual words were written down by Josephus Blowsephus several years after Jesus died, and that guy had no freaking clue his words would be influencing world events thousands of years later.
 
lawtig02 said:
So, I'm a Christian. Love the gospels. But one of the things I love the most is thinking about his followers gathering months or years after the crucifixion and thinking, maybe we should write down some of the things he said?

I happen to think a lot of the quotes from Q are probably fairly close to what Jesus actually said. But I REALLY love that the actual words were written down by Josephus Blowsephus several years after Jesus died, and that guy had no freaking clue his words would be influencing world events thousands of years later.
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Where did you find a version of Q and how do you know Josephus got anything right? What words of Jesus did he record?
 
finesse said:
Where did you find a version of Q and how do you know Josephus got anything right? What words of Jesus did he record?
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Words of Jesus? Who said anything about that? I'm talking about the words of Josephus Blowsephus. Don't rain on his parade.
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure if you're talking about a scam as in just convincing people of hell to cause fear and obedience is a scam or a scam as in convincing people that it's what the Bible teaches. Either way you're right. The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where souls go to be destroyed, not tortured.
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See, this is why i can't ignore you.😁
 
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