Stock Market/Investing/Fin Planning Catch-All

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duluoz said:
What’s the story with treasury bonds?

An advisor mentioned them to me as a slightly better rate currently than most CDs for comparable terms.

But the biggest appeal seemed to be that for a treasury bond’s yields I wouldn’t incur state/NYC taxes… whereas with a CD, I would incur both, along with federal tax.
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What my advisor told me
 
So for fun, what are the things that Trump or those under Trump's authority could do to cause a major stock market fall.

Some I can think of:

  1. Fires Powell
  2. Invades a sovereign nation causing sanctions.
  3. Sends Europeans to El Salvador causing sanctions. (This might be a stretch.)
  4. New fed chair slashes rates during rising inflation causing a negative chain effect (after maybe experiencing an initial rise).
  5. Causes the European Union to declare that the US regime is an authoritarian regime.
All just for discussion. I am not interested in arguing about the probability of these occurring.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
So for fun, what are the things that Trump or those under Trump's authority could do to cause a major stock market fall.

Some I can think of:

  1. Fires Powell
  2. Invades a sovereign nation causing sanctions.
  3. Sends Europeans to El Salvador causing sanctions. (This might be a stretch.)
  4. New fed chair slashes rates during rising inflation causing a negative chain effect (after maybe experiencing an initial rise).
  5. Causes the European Union to declare that the US regime is an authoritarian regime.
All just for discussion. I am not interested in arguing about the probability of these occurring.
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Toggles Trump's economic policy back on.
 
superrific said:
They are wildly fluctuating in value because of complete uncertainty as to what is happening with US economic policy. The problem with debt is that the upside is limited but the downside isn't really. While the treasury isn't going to go bankrupt, there are major concerns about fiscal solvency.

Remember that story about how the IRS says tax collections will decrease by $500B because DOGE? I've been skeptical but let's say it's true. Well, that thrusts the debt ceiling issue to the forefront more quickly than anyone anticipates. Treasury won't run out of money in June; it will run out in early May (perhaps) and suddenly the ceiling needs to be raised. Think the GOP could get that done in an emergency?

Point is, a lot can go wrong with treasuries and you're not getting much upside at 4%.
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But aren’t you locking in the rate with treasury bonds for the duration of the term, just like with CDs? How realistic is it to think that in a 3 or 6 month term, the treasury would run out of money and I’d be shit out of luck and not recover my investment? Is it not federally insured?

I’m admittedly pretty naive to these concepts but this sounds a bit far fetched. Although I understand that with this orange a-hole running wild, strange things are happening.
 
When is the SEC going to start looking into insider trading with these fluctuations of the market caused by changes in tariff policy?
The public is taking a bath, but I sincerely doubt that insiders aren't profiting from advance knowledge.
 
duluoz said:
But aren’t you locking in the rate with treasury bonds for the duration of the term, just like with CDs? How realistic is it to think that in a 3 or 6 month term, the treasury would run out of money and I’d be shit out of luck and not recover my investment? Is it not federally insured?

I’m admittedly pretty naive to these concepts but this sounds a bit far fetched. Although I understand that with this orange a-hole running wild, strange things are happening.
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1. No, US debt is by definition not federally insured. An organization cannot usually insure its own debt.
2. It depends on how you buy them. In an ETF, the term never arrives -- the bonds are just rolled over. So your return is going to be interest and whatever happens to the value of the bonds. The bonds can lose value quickly.

3. If you hold the treasury to term, then yes you've locked in your rate like a CD. I'm personally not a fan of CDs. They are, ironically enough, federally insured, lol (though in a huge crash, federal insurance might not mean much).
 
mynameisbond said:
When is the SEC going to start looking into insider trading with these fluctuations of the market caused by changes in tariff policy?
The public is taking a bath, but I sincerely doubt that insiders aren't profiting from advance knowledge.
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1. The SEC will be taking a four year moratorium on investigating pretty much anything dealing with insider trading.
2. I'm not even sure the SEC has jurisdiction over Congressional insider trading.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
They lurk
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If there's one thing I've learned from 25 years of reading political message boards, it's that many posters who don't post nonetheless continue to read the boards on a regular basis, even while their anger and bile builds up against those who are posting. And in most cases the absent posters who still read the boards are conservatives who are no longer willing to post because they can no longer effectively defend the policies and actions of Republican leaders against the board liberals. So instead, as you said they just lurk, and fume and occasionally do post to lash out at board liberals. When the old IC ZZLP was deactivated it was something over its last couple of weeks reading all of the Trumper posters who flooded the board - many of whom had either never posted but read the board regularly, or Trumpers who had not posted in years but still lurked - to vent and rant and rave about how glad they were that the board was being shut down because it was dominated by liberals and was so unfair to them and they just hated the board even though they couldn't keep themselves from reading it all the time. The resentment of so many Trumpers is very real.
 
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Let’s say Powell was fired and the new fed chair tried to lower rates. They could lower the fed funds rate but could their attempts to lower other rates fail as people flee US dominated debt?

They could buy treasuries but if people started fleeing those treasuries wouldn’t that drive up the interest rates anyway?

Inform me please.
 
superrific said:
2. It depends on how you buy them. In an ETF, the term never arrives -- the bonds are just rolled over. So your return is going to be interest and whatever happens to the value of the bonds. The bonds can lose value quickly.
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Not sure what you mean by “how you buy them…” Through a standard retail brokerage/investment firm like Schwab, Fidelity, etc. that offers 3, 6, 9 mo terms and beyond, with rates that appear to me to be locked in for the term.

And no, there would be no need to access those funds ahead of the term’s end… they would stay there for the duration.
 
duluoz said:
Not sure what you mean by “how you buy them…” Through a standard retail brokerage/investment firm like Schwab, Fidelity, etc. that offers 3, 6, 9 mo terms and beyond, with rates that appear to me to be locked in for the term.

And no, there would be no need to access those funds ahead of the term’s end… they would stay there for the duration.
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Well, technically I should have said depends on how you buy the exposure. you can buy T-bills on ETFs, I'm pretty sure.

All government debt has locked-in rates, that's true. And if you're choosing between a T-bill and a CD, I'd agree the T is probably better just for the taxes.
 
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