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SnoopRob said:
The funniest part of Bo's insistence that Kendrick is nothing without Drake is that Drake is the one who really ignited the beef (along with J Cole) by going for Kendrick on First Person Shooter.

Drake's the one who really kicked this shit off, but it's Kendrick who needed Drake for fame?

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Cole and Drake didn't go for Kendrick on First Person Shooter. They included Kendrick along with Drake and Cole as the "big 3" of modern hip-hop. Kendrick's tiny little ego couldn't handle that and he responded by claiming that he's the best and dissing Cole and Drake. He's a tiny, pathetic man who gave a pathetic excuse for a show last night and is being widely panned for it.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
He was a moderately successful rapper beforehand. He only blew up because he started hating on Drake. Like I said, 90% of the conversation about last night's show is not "man, what a great message Kendrick had" or "man, what an amazing performance". Instead, it is "Kendrick said something mean about Drake AGAIN LOOOOOOOLLLLLL"
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So-- and this is all before that song/the last album came out-- 17 grammy wins, being included in Time's 2016 list of 100 most influential people in the world, appearing in Forbes's 2019 Celebrity 100 ranking, being included in Billboard's lists of greatest rappers of all time, being named by Complex as best rapper alive in 2013 and 2017, having four of his albums prior to his most recent one ranked among the 500 greatest albums of all-time and 200 greatest hip hop albums of all-time by Rolling Stone, receiving the first Pulitzer Prize for Music that did not go to a musical work that was either classical or jazz, having three albums reach no. 1 on the overall Billboard charts and another reaching no. 2 (and no. 1 on the R&B/hip hop charts), and having many, many singles chart (including many top 10 entries) = moderately successful?
 
Bigs23 said:
Actually, in think he would.
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From a musical perspective, he'd be fine. (I'm kinda amazed how Kanye keeps making good music when everything else he does is absolutely nuts.)

But he'd probably try to drape the stage in swastikas and confederate flags, which obviously wouldn't be acceptable. And who knows what crazy shit would come out of his mouth when he wasn't rapping/singing.
 
SnoopRob said:
The funniest part of Bo's insistence that Kendrick is nothing without Drake is that Drake is the one who really ignited the beef (along with J Cole) by going for Kendrick on First Person Shooter.

Drake's the one who really kicked this shit off, but it's Kendrick who needed Drake for fame?

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Oh, this MFer is Bo.

It all makes sense now!
 
SnoopRob said:
From a musical perspective, he'd be fine. (I'm kinda amazed how Kanye keeps making good music when everything else he does is absolutely nuts.)

But he'd probably try to drape the stage in swastikas and confederate flags, which obviously wouldn't be acceptable. And who knows what crazy shit would come out of his mouth when he wasn't rapping/singing.
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The music doesn’t override the other shit.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Cole and Drake didn't go for Kendrick on First Person Shooter. They included Kendrick along with Drake and Cole as the "big 3" of modern hip-hop. Kendrick's tiny little ego couldn't handle that and he responded by claiming that he's the best and dissing Cole and Drake. He's a tiny, pathetic man who gave a pathetic excuse for a show last night and is being widely panned for it.
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Drake and J Cole was certainly going for Kendrick on First Person Shooter. You do realize that what started all this with FPS is that Drake asked Kendrick to be on the song and Kendrick turned him down, right? And that Drake got all up in his feelings over it and decided to take a few shots?

While there is a Big Three reference in FPS, each of them also say that it's really just Drake and J Cole in the GOAT discussion, intentionally slighting Kendrick.

And then Kendrick decided to really answer. J Cole, to his credit, realized it was time to throw in the towel, apologized, and got out of the way before he caught anything too major. Drake just kept taking Ls and then sued everyone in sight because he couldn't deal with it.

As for last night, how it's perceived is largely based on what group you're looking listening to. Real hip-hop heads and the culture give Kendrick credit for what he does, while the basic white girls whine about it and old white men just hate seeing anything that isn't about old white men. (But, to be fair to you, you're likely not quite yet an old white man.)
 
Icky Mettle said:
So-- and this is all before that song/the last album came out-- 17 grammy wins, being included in Time's 2016 list of 100 most influential people in the world, appearing in Forbes's 2019 Celebrity 100 ranking, being included in Billboard's lists of greatest rappers of all time, being named by Complex as best rapper alive in 2013 and 2017, having four of his albums prior to his most recent one ranked among the 500 greatest albums of all-time and 200 greatest hip hop albums of all-time by Rolling Stone, receiving the first Pulitzer Prize for Music that did not go to a musical work that was either classical or jazz, having three albums reach no. 1 on the overall Billboard charts and another reaching no. 2 (and no. 1 on the R&B/hip hop charts), and having many, many singles chart (including many top 10 entries) = moderately successful?
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"bUt DrAkE's AlBuM sAlEs AnD sTrEaMiNg NuMbErs!!!"

Drake is a great pop artist, while Kendrick is a great rapper. That's what kills the Drake stans.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I'm sorry, my leader. I did not enjoy the mandated happy dance last night. My smile wasn't wide enough and everyone knew I was lying when I said, "man, this tiny dude mumbling about Drake for 20 minutes is really inspiring and heroic". Please provide me with the instructed opinions on every other piece of pop culture so that I do not stray from the party line again.
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That would be your takeaway...

I will back off. Mental wellness is nothing to gang up on....
 
I love rap. Have since a kid in the 80s. I might appreciate Lamar more if I could understand what he is saying.
 
Machinehead said:
I love rap. Have since a kid in the 80s. I might appreciate Lamar more if I could understand what he is saying.
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Oh, please. First, I'm instantly skeptical of anyone who refers to "rap" as a genre. Second, it's not hard to understand his lyrics -- no more than any other hip-hop artist. Even I can do it and I don't even try that hard because I find the songs boring.

I'm very far from a Lamar fan. I mean, he's OK, but I do not like the minimalist approach to backing instrumentation (note: I have not listened to all his albums; I've not liked what I've heard and generally that doesn't make me want to dive in further). So I'm no stan. I'm just skeptical about your claim because it seems like bullshit to me.
 
superrific said:
Oh, please. First, I'm instantly skeptical of anyone who refers to "rap" as a genre. Second, it's not hard to understand his lyrics -- no more than any other hip-hop artist. Even I can do it and I don't even try that hard because I find the songs boring.

I'm very far from a Lamar fan. I mean, he's OK, but I do not like the minimalist approach to backing instrumentation (note: I have not listened to all his albums; I've not liked what I've heard and generally that doesn't make me want to dive in further). So I'm no stan. I'm just skeptical about your claim because it seems like bullshit to me.
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They not like us, they not like us. Mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble...a minor!
 
Aren't all hip-hop feuds basically just pro wrestling? They are manufactured in order to gain attention and thus sell records.

I don't know any Drake songs, or if I do, I don't know that they are Drake. I very much doubt I would like it.

What I've heard from Kendrick Lamar lacks propulsion. There's nothing driving the song forward. Maybe that's just old man me talking; the hip-hop I listen to, like Public Enemy and Eric B and Rakim, is not where hip-hop is today. And I've never been a huge fan of the genre. Still, Not Like Us sounds like it could be recorded on Casio. There's just no sophistication there. Whatever you want to say about Eminem, there's complexity in the production. The instrumentation is not static. The beats are more than a snare on the 4.
 
superrific said:
Aren't all hip-hop feuds basically just pro wrestling? They are manufactured in order to gain attention and thus sell records.

I don't know any Drake songs, or if I do, I don't know that they are Drake. I very much doubt I would like it.

What I've heard from Kendrick Lamar lacks propulsion. There's nothing driving the song forward. Maybe that's just old man me talking; the hip-hop I listen to, like Public Enemy and Eric B and Rakim, is not where hip-hop is today. And I've never been a huge fan of the genre. Still, Not Like Us sounds like it could be recorded on Casio. There's just no sophistication there. Whatever you want to say about Eminem, there's complexity in the production. The instrumentation is not static. The beats are more than a snare on the 4.
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Remember the Roxanne Wars? Now those were some rap battles. How about Kane and Kool Moe Dee?
 
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