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Congressman Randy Fine- a carpet bagging, Harvard educated McKinsey consultant and gambling executive who represents a Florida district he does not live in- weighs in.

This guy has previously said that Palestinians are demons who live on Earth, expressed support for killing Palestinian civilians and said that the ICE agents who killed Alex Pretti did a “good job.”

Edit: also apparently these are not even the same song that Bad Bunny performed lol
 
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How familiar are you with pop Latin music? Reggaeton? Trap? Jamaican dancehall?

I get it if it’s just not your style. But unless you’re adequately versed in the styles of music from which he draws, it seems a bit presumptuous to say that it was bad music.

Let’s put it this way: I’m fairly familiar with old-school country music, outlaw county, and alt country/indie folk/cowpunk stuff.

Pop country (e.g. the folks who played at the TPUSA gig) and bro-country stuff is not my taste.

But I feel confident in saying much of it is actually bad music—autotune vocals, sappy meaningless lyrics about trucks, tailgating at the lake, girls in cutoffs and boots, and so on—and subpar musicianship.

I can’t say that I have that level of knowledge about Bad Bunny’s influences to determine whether his music sucks or not. Do you have that knowledge?

So your thought is that before we criticize music, we need to be knowledgeable on all the music that influences it?

That's a nice thought maybe, but not very realistic given how people consume music.

If I'm on date and decide to play Acherontas in my car (speaking from experience), she's not going to care to trace it back to its punk roots before offering an opinion. She's going to say she hates it. Based on what she's listening to right then, at that moment. Similarly, I took two friends to a Caspian concert once. They'd never listened to the band but tagged along with me. Stood at the back of the venue in misery the entire time. No bother caring to learn about Caspian's influences before telling me the band sucked.

People tend to process music quickly and form an opinion quickly. I don't think that's presumptuous, it's just natural. For most, it's not an intellectual pursuit. We're more likely to research an artist's influences if we like what we hear.

Almost all your criticisms of Country were related to lyrics, but you did mention autotune, which was probably used by Bad Bunny. A co-worker of mine said he saw him live in Puerto Rico in August and thought his vocals were off compared to then, which I'm guessing was an autotune issue with his mic. Then again, Ricky Martin sounded fantastic for his 30 seconds and didn't sound autotuned at all.
 
Fair enough. I disagree with you, especially with such a blanket dismissal of whole genres of music, but music taste is subjective.

No one should be calling you racist and putting you on ignore. But surely you un understand that people are sensitive to criticism of the halftime show being based in MAGA culture-war provocations because of the large flood of vitriol directed at the very concept of a Bad Bunny halftime show before, during, and after the show. I wish people would be more discerning, or at least more curious, in understanding others' motives and beliefs before jumping straight to MAGA accusations - in this thread and others - but that's also sort of the world we live in now (which sucks).

Understood. I'm not interested in the politics of it but understand that's a big factor at play, unsurprisingly so. Thanks for the response.
 
I’m gonna mea culpa and back up the truck on my takes with both RoLaren and GeeWhy. Wearing my emotions on the sleeves and egocentric BS on my part led to what I now can see was inappropriate.
Sorry boys.
Rock on gentleman and Go Heels!
 
So your thought is that before we criticize music, we need to be knowledgeable on all the music that influences it?

That's a nice thought maybe, but not very realistic given how people consume music.

If I'm on date and decide to play Acherontas in my car (speaking from experience), she's not going to care to trace it back to its punk roots before offering an opinion. She's going to say she hates it. Based on what she's listening to right then, at that moment. Similarly, I took two friends to a Caspian concert once. They'd never listened to the band but tagged along with me. Stood at the back of the venue in misery the entire time. No bother caring to learn about Caspian's influences before telling me the band sucked.

People tend to process music quickly and form an opinion quickly. I don't think that's presumptuous, it's just natural. For most, it's not an intellectual pursuit. We're more likely to research an artist's influences if we like what we hear.

Almost all your criticisms of Country were related to lyrics, but you did mention autotune, which was probably used by Bad Bunny. A co-worker of mine said he saw him live in Puerto Rico in August and thought his vocals were off compared to then, which I'm guessing was an autotune issue with his mic. Then again, Ricky Martin sounded fantastic for his 30 seconds and didn't sound autotuned at all.
My thought is that not everything that you dislike is necessarily “bad music.”

If it’s not your style, that’s fine. But that doesn’t make it objectively bad.
 
Most Bad Bunny songs are misogynistic and pure trash. Thats seems to be what the majority here like so whatever floats your boats. I wouldn't listen to his trash or Kid Rocks trash and I damn sure wouldn't justify eithers trash just because of politics.
 
Most Bad Bunny songs are misogynistic and pure trash. Thats seems to be what the majority here like so whatever floats your boats. I wouldn't listen to his trash or Kid Rocks trash and I damn sure wouldn't justify eithers trash just because of politics.
But you will vote for someone who says and does things way worse for the highest office in the land. Go figure.
 
Most Bad Bunny songs are misogynistic and pure trash. Thats seems to be what the majority here like so whatever floats your boats. I wouldn't listen to his trash or Kid Rocks trash and I damn sure wouldn't justify eithers trash just because of politics.
Yeah…I’m gonna call bullshit on that.

Please cite the misogyny that pervades “most” bad bunny songs.
 
Most Bad Bunny songs are misogynistic and pure trash. Thats seems to be what the majority here like so whatever floats your boats. I wouldn't listen to his trash or Kid Rocks trash and I damn sure wouldn't justify eithers trash just because of politics.
That's most music right now in general. The typical "themes" for each genre seem to be-

Top 40: Partying or raging depression.

Country male singer: Beer, trucks, sweet little tan legged thing.

Country female singer: How to murder your husband.

Rap: Fuck the opps, I'm rich bitch.

Not much wholesome stuff in the mainstream.
 
I've been waiting for this guy, Greg Grandin, to put in his .02. He posted this early this morning on social media (as you can see it is also available at The Nation).

"There's no shortage of commentary on this, but to add to the pile. Below, but please also click the link.

Bad Bunny's Stunning Redefinition of 'America'"
Greg Grandin
The Nation


An estimated 135 million viewers in the United States watched Benito Antonio Martínez Ocasio, aka Bad Bunny, perform live at the Super Bowl halftime show on Sunday. Many millions more all over the world later caught the show online. What they saw was a stunning redefinition of what it means to be an American.

It took about five seconds to realize this was no ordinary halftime show. And another thirty for Bad Bunny to overrun the trenchwork of the US culture war, and the schisms of race, gender, class, and sexuality so easily manipulated both by MAGA nationalists and bad-faith centrists. He showed all kinds of people working and playing, creating a universal joy that excluded none.

Bad Bunny jammed over a century of history into his thirteen-minute performance. He started where all good history should: with labor, walking through a sugar plantation set as workers cut the cane that, over the decades, has generated incalculable profits, mostly channeled to Europe and the United States from the Caribbean, including Bad Bunny’s Puerto Rican homeland. And even as the show moved on to other themes—and the other performers, Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin—the sugar cane remained, surrounding scenes of urban streets, Puerto Rican casitas, Bronx bodegas, and those ubiquitous cheap plastic chairs. The whole extravaganza—its monumental scale, cultural storytelling, and celebration of hard-working men and women—seemed like a WPA mural jolted alive by the rhythm of perreo.

That Bad Bunny sang mostly in Reggaeton Spanish was an unabashedly defiant act. But most of the show’s politics, however obvious to some, was largely muted by the lush pageantry. Was the woman in the couple who married on stage pregnant? If so, was this a symbolic thumbing of the nose at Trump’s efforts to end birthright citizenship? (We’ll have this baby right here on the 50-yard-line and it will be American and a US citizen!) Similarly, when Bad Bunny gave a Grammy he recently won to a young boy, viewers immediately speculated that the boy was Liam Conejo Ramos, the five-year-old seized by ICE in Minneapolis. He wasn’t, but the point felt clear: he could have been; according to The Guardian, ICE has captured roughly 3800 minors between January and October 2025.

And the sexualized twerking dancers and stereotypical Latin lovers who filled the Super Bowl stage are subverted in Bad Bunny’s lyrics. His second number, “Yo Perreo Sola,” asserts the right of women to dance alone without being hassled by “creeps,” a demand made even clearer in the song’s video.

The dance songs gave way to Ricky Martin—who, as a gay Puerto Rican, is both a symbol of Latino and LGBTQ pride and a rejoinder to Trump’s bigotry—singing a snippet of Bad Bunny’s ballad “Lo Que Pasó a Hawaii.” Only if you understand Spanish or are familiar with Bad Bunny’s discography would you catch that “Lo Que Pasó a Hawaii” links US colonialism in the Caribbean and the Pacific—all the more apt given that Puerto Rico and Hawaii were formally seized by the United States in the same year, 1898.

The song’s subtext is that Martínez Ocasio is a nationalist—he wants his island home to be a free nation, fearing that statehood would bring a new wave of dispossession and late-capitalist overlord colonialism, and would do to Puerto Rico what it did to Hawaii: seizing the best lands, closing access to the sea, turning Puerto Ricans into the servants of the world’s billionaires. “They want the river and beach too,” he sings.

Later in the show, Bad Bunny held up not the official Puerto Rican flag but the lighter-blue flag of the island-nation’s independence movement. Only a minority of Puerto Ricans, for now, say they are in favor of independence—but let’s take a poll after a few more shows like this, and a few more years of US disintegration.

Then it was back to reggaeton, with “El Apagón”– “The Blackout”—whose protest lies mostly in its attitude and a music video that provides a civics lesson on how the privatization of electricity has led to exploding electric plants, fires, and blackouts. Here, dancers dressed as linemen climbed up and down electric poles as wires sparked, fuses blew, and the power of Bad Bunny, to entertain and educate, surged. Playing this song now also invokes Trump’s blockade of oil to Cuba, which will soon leave that nation—historically considered Puerto Rico’s sister island (compare the flags)—in the dark.

One way to consider the importance of Bad Bunny’s halftime extravaganza is to place it in relation to another global sensation from a son of Puerto Rico: Lin-Manuel Miranda’s Hamilton. That play, coming in the last years of Obama’s restoration of the neoliberal order, was hailed for celebrating diversity—a vision of multicultural harmony which many thought, even as Trump lurked in the wings, had gained a permanent place in US culture. Then came Trumpism, which turned Hamilton into an autumnal yearning for a nation that could have been.

In contrast to Miranda’s inadvertent elegy for the Obama era, Bad Bunny is not mourning. He’s fighting. His vision of multiculturalism, as mentioned above, is founded on labor, and, by implication, a demand for a more equitable distribution of the wealth it produces. If Hamilton was a paean to an idealized version of America, Bad Bunny’s narrative effectively declared war against the America that actually exists under Trump—as well as the deeper currents that made Trumpism possible.

And Martínez Ocasio is waging that war by celebrating America in its broadest sense, reminding his massive audience that what makes the United States “exceptional” isn’t its sense of singular uniqueness but that it shares a hemisphere with hundreds of millions of other people who also are Americanos. This vision, of nationalism not as hunkering down but opening up to the world, was on full display in the halftime show’s raucous finale, where, after yelling out “God Bless América,” Bad Bunny loudly roll called all the nations of the Western Hemisphere (including Canada, which really doesn’t really consider itself “American”….), spiked the football, and led his fellow performers off the field in victory.

America, América, a book I published last year, argues that, at its best, Latin America knows how to reconcile nationalism and internationalism, diversity and universalism. Other countries dealing with the dire consequences of corporate globalization and US militarism (which produced tens of millions of refugees) have retreated into a nasty, authoritarian, or tribal nationalism, like the United States, but also India, Turkey, Israel, Hungary, and, Russia.

Latin American nations mostly haven’t. Their reaction to corporate globalization is rarely expressed in xenophobic, antisemitic, or conspiratorial tropes about a struggle against “globalists.” True, the region isn’t immune to the world’s new demonology of the desperate millions on the move, and in some countries, there does exist, ominously creeping anti-migrant xenophobia.

Still, for many in Latin America, among the most peaceful continents in the world in terms of state-to-state relations, nationalism is a gateway not toward tribalism but universalism.

Cultural displays of defiance only go so far. Even as Bad Bunny sings songs of solidarity, Venezuela has been turned into an informal colony, ICE is still terrorizing Americans, and the White House is threatening to starve Cubans to death if they don’t submit. But this performance still seemed consequential. It had energy, it wasn’t self-satisfied, and I think it’s safe to say that Martínez Ocasio knows the fight isn’t just representational. It’s political and economic. At the very least, he routed MAGA with sheer numbers and happier music.

And it is a fully American fight. Trumpism needs to be defeated at home and abroad. Right now, Latin American nations waver between two opposing currents. The first is an acceptance of the servility demanded by Trump, reinforced by a punitive rational-choice diplomacy: submit or die. The other sees a stirring of the kind of historic anti-interventionism and pro-sovereignty activism that Latin America, in the past, was famous for. Let’s hope Bad Bunny’s audacious halftime show reinforces the second."
 
I hope they steal one of his kidneys.
Oh, the old "I'm going to (some foreign country) for (some weird-ass medical treatment) story. Don't be surprised is Rocker returns to the US as Joan Rocker and that she actually went to Thailand, not Columbia. What are the chances she starts a new career as the lead in a band with all male back-up players named, "Joan Jett and the Rockhards"?
 
That's most music right now in general. The typical "themes" for each genre seem to be-

Top 40: Partying or raging depression.

Country male singer: Beer, trucks, sweet little tan legged thing.

Country female singer: How to murder your husband.

Rap: Fuck the opps, I'm rich bitch.

Not much wholesome stuff in the mainstream.
I don't really know if those "general themes" are all that different today, for each of those categories, than they were 10 or 20 years ago. But I also think that modern technology and removal of barriers of entry into music publishing has created much more diversity among popular music than you're giving credit for. For example, many of the most popular songs of 2025 pretty clearly defy those Pop categorizations - Die With a Smile, the songs from KPop Demon Hunters, Luther, Beautiful Things, Ordinary, Espresso, Not Like Us, Pink Pony Club, etc.
 
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If I'm on date and decide to play Acherontas in my car (speaking from experience), she's not going to care to trace it back to its punk roots before offering an opinion. She's going to say she hates it. Based on what she's listening to right then, at that moment.

Why are you playing NSBM or NS-adjacent BM in the first place?
 
Why are you playing NSBM or NS-adjacent BM in the first place?

I didnt think those guys were NSBM but that aside, playing black metal on a date is quite a commitment to scaring the hoes lmao. I learned that lesson at like 16 playing Meshuggah or something on the way to get ice cream with a girl.
 
I didnt think those guys were NSBM but that aside, playing black metal on a date is quite a commitment to scaring the hoes lmao. I learned that lesson at like 16 playing Meshuggah or something on the way to get ice cream with a girl.

AngryMetalGuy thought they were sufficiently NSBM to remove its review of a record. At the very least, the band seems Nazi-curious.

More importantly, you're telling me that girls don't go for boys in JNCO jeans headbanging to metal?
 
Sorry I still don't get it and I don't know any Hispanic that watches the NFL, but I'm isolated in Chatham Co. I would think the Hispanic population that does watch the NFL is very small overall. It was an entertaining performance, but I wouldn't consider it music. It's just something else to divide our country even more and by the looks of it this morning that's exactly what it is doing.
Ignoring politics for a moment, don’t you think having Bad Bunny as the halftime performer brought a ton of viewers that, otherwise, wouldn’t have cared about the Super Bowl?
 
Ignoring politics for a moment, don’t you think having Bad Bunny as the halftime performer brought a ton of viewers that, otherwise, wouldn’t have cared about the Super Bowl?
Bad Bunny’s performance was the most-watched SBowl halftime show ever.
What a terrible decision by the NFL (sarcasm).
 
So your thought is that before we criticize music, we need to be knowledgeable on all the music that influences it?

That's a nice thought maybe, but not very realistic given how people consume music.

If I'm on date and decide to play Acherontas in my car (speaking from experience), she's not going to care to trace it back to its punk roots before offering an opinion. She's going to say she hates it. Based on what she's listening to right then, at that moment. Similarly, I took two friends to a Caspian concert once. They'd never listened to the band but tagged along with me. Stood at the back of the venue in misery the entire time. No bother caring to learn about Caspian's influences before telling me the band sucked.

People tend to process music quickly and form an opinion quickly. I don't think that's presumptuous, it's just natural. For most, it's not an intellectual pursuit. We're more likely to research an artist's influences if we like what we hear.

Almost all your criticisms of Country were related to lyrics, but you did mention autotune, which was probably used by Bad Bunny. A co-worker of mine said he saw him live in Puerto Rico in August and thought his vocals were off compared to then, which I'm guessing was an autotune issue with his mic. Then again, Ricky Martin sounded fantastic for his 30 seconds and didn't sound autotuned at all.
I took the comment to reflect that you can like or dislike music (or any art, really) without any special knlowledge, learning, or insight. That doesn’t mean the music’s bad - just not for you.

That’s different than saying it’s bad. To say it’s bad, you would need an understanding of the genre, musical theory, etc.

Anyway, that’s how I interpreted his post.
 
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Congressman Randy Fine- a carpet bagging, Harvard educated McKinsey consultant and gambling executive who represents a Florida district he does not live in- weighs in.

This guy has previously said that Palestinians are demons who live on Earth, expressed support for killing Palestinian civilians and said that the ICE agents who killed Alex Pretti did a “good job.”

Edit: also apparently these are not even the same song that Bad Bunny performed lol

Veracity will have nothing whatsoever to do with this playing loud and well in #DeepChatham.
 
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