Tariffs Catch-All

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So we're going to tariff a bunch of stuff we can't make and don't want to make. We're not tariffing the stuff that we want to make, and sorta can make (especially if they would lean into instead of away from the CHIPS act and build capacity).

Stable genius!
 
Pretty sure China already knew our trade weakness. Trump's inability to shut TikTok made that clear.

And yes, other countries will not be negotiating with us. They see Trump being so thirsty for trade deals.

The end game here, I think, is more or less the resumption of the status quo in terms of economic geography. Free trade will be in tatters; the rest of the world hates us; we have lost a bunch of scientists; people aren't going to want to build factories here; and oh the GOP tax cuts/budget package is going to be devastating.

Hey, remember when Ramrouser was so excited because Trump had the energy of the Energizer Bunny? And we said that was a bad thing, because everything Trump touches dies? Yeah. So too the economy.
 
We are moving toward a patchwork of tariffs on things the working class and poor buy to partially fund income tax cuts that will mostly benefit the upper class and wealthy — then fund the difference with debt with rising interest costs, choking off government funds available for services to the people who will bear the disproportionate burden (as a percentage of income) of the tariffs.
 
We are moving toward a patchwork of tariffs on things the working class and poor buy to partially fund income tax cuts that will mostly benefit the upper class and wealthy — then fund the difference with debt with rising interest costs, choking off government funds available for services to the people who will bear the disproportionate burden (as a percentage of income) of the tariffs.
Sounds like Peron, except Peron gave government jobs to the working class for mollification. Musk is cutting them.
 
Not sure the exemptions will be much of a catalyst for companies to bring manufacturing back to the US.

Now that Trump has fully exposed his limited tolerance for pain, are other nations likely to negotiate deals favorable to the US?
 
I don't know much about work visa rules, but it seems that Canada recognized the potential issue.

Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
 
I don't know much about work visa rules, but it seems that Canada recognized the potential issue.

Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
Under American law, using a tourist visa for those purposes is perfectly legal. Maybe there was some other detail she wasn't telling us, but it's much more likely that ICE was just acting lawlessly.

I do not know anything about Canadian immigration law, so I do not know if the Canadians acted properly there or not.

Notice the Canadians who "recognize the potential issue" did not feel the need to throw the woman into a cell. It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.
 
Under American law, using a tourist visa for those purposes is perfectly legal. Maybe there was some other detail she wasn't telling us, but it's much more likely that ICE was just acting lawlessly.

I do not know anything about Canadian immigration law, so I do not know if the Canadians acted properly there or not.

Notice the Canadians who "recognize the potential issue" did not feel the need to throw the woman into a cell. It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.
On one hand, you acknowledge there are things we don't know, but then state, definitively, that ICE is behaving illegally.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection did not comment specifically on Burke's case but noted that individuals traveling under the Visa Waiver Program are prohibited from working for any type of compensation, including work in exchange for room and board.

Burke's Instagram account indicated her participation in Workaway, a cultural exchange program where participants help for about five hours a day in exchange for food and accommodation.


 
On one hand, you acknowledge there are things we don't know, but then state, definitively, that ICE is behaving illegally.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection did not comment specifically on Burke's case but noted that individuals traveling under the Visa Waiver Program are prohibited from working for any type of compensation, including work in exchange for room and board.
1. I didn't state definitively that ICE is behaving illegally. In fact, I stated the opposite.
2. The reason I doubt CBP is that it lies. For instance: I just read every single statutory provision and regulation pertaining to the Visa Waiver Program, and none of them said what ICE says. In fact, the regulations specifically state the opposite: that work is defined in terms of displacing any domestic worker, which would not plausibly be the case unless there are people out there who would hire domestic workers but instead rely on a steady stream of ETSA visitors.

So whatever. I don't believe anything Trump says. For CBP, I will at least check to see if it's true. I see no regulation or statute or any source of law that addresses this situation.
 
1. I didn't state definitively that ICE is behaving illegally. In fact, I stated the opposite.

It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.

Again, even Canada saw the issue...

2. The reason I doubt CBP is that it lies. For instance: I just read every single statutory provision and regulation pertaining to the Visa Waiver Program, and none of them said what ICE says. In fact, the regulations specifically state the opposite: that work is defined in terms of displacing any domestic worker, which would not plausibly be the case unless there are people out there who would hire domestic workers but instead rely on a steady stream of ETSA visitors.

It's a question of interpretation?
So whatever. I don't believe anything Trump says. For CBP, I will at least check to see if it's true. I see no regulation or statute or any source of law that addresses this situation.
I don't think Trump said anything related to the situation.
 
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