Terrorist attack in Sydney

Duke Mu said:
You just did...and I don't disagree.

The US government really didn't do a good job with the white supremacy thing (20s, 50s, 60s) until RFK Jr. stood up to Gov. Wallace... and a few years later the Civil Rights Act. White Nationalism never completely went away and has been worse in the last 10 years.

The thing about anti-semitism, is that it seems to be an EO hate. Muslims, Germans, white Christian nationalists. Get in line. Bibi has actually fed the hate. He wants it to stay in office.
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White supremacist terrorism is decades from going away. But addressing correctly to try to reduce it is the most important thing.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Since y'all are rushing to note the religion of the attackers, I figured you would want to update your post that the hero is also Muslim.
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It’s a kinda important part of the story. Should we just ignore unpleasant facts that we don’t like?
 
Duke Mu said:
The thing about anti-semitism, is that it seems to be an EO hate. Muslims, Germans, white Christian nationalists. Get in line. Bibi has actually fed the hate. He wants it to stay in office.
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Well, not all Muslims. And the subset of Muslims who hate Jews strongly overlaps with the subset of Muslims who basically hate everyone.

I assume you are talking about Nazi and pre-Nazi Germans, who also hated everyone non-white and a lot of whites too.

And white Christian nationalists also hate everyone.

I'm not sure that anti-Semitism is "special" as much as Jews have been minorities at a lot of cultural crossroads. Minorities are often persecuted. This is, of course, why Israel was created, and why many Jews think it important to have a Jewish homeland. Somewhere they aren't a relatively powerless minority subject to pogroms and worse. And now that they have it, they persecute minorities (at least in terms of political power) themselves.

Who didn't hate Jews? As far as I know, imperial Japan. Who hated everyone. The only reason they didn't hate Jews is that they surely had very little contact with them. Hindus don't hate Jews to my knowledge, but again -- there's not that much contact.

Hindu hate works a bit different. As far as I know, even the most virulent Hindu nationalists are fine with Christians, Jews, Buddhists -- pretty much all religions except Muslims, who they hate with a passion perhaps unmatched elsewhere. It's like -- same amount of hate, more focused.

The one outlier is the enmity between Black Americans and Jews. That's genuinely surprising -- and of course, it's by no means everywhere in the either population. Sometimes it is more subtle than hate; perhaps "suspicion" and "mistrust" are better words, which is disappointing because American Jews have, for the most part, "been there" for black people until fairly recently. Outside of NYC, at least -- where there has been considerably friction between those communities dating back as far as I can remember. And mostly that's a conflict involving Hasidim in particular, not Jews generally.
 
Ramrouser said:
It’s a kinda important part of the story. Should we just ignore unpleasant facts that we don’t like?
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Im saying it is equally important yet you forgot to mention it on the hero side. I knew you wouldn't want to leave it out that the person who risked his life for strangers is also Muslim so I was being helpful.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Im saying it is equally important yet you forgot to mention it on the hero side. I knew you wouldn't want to leave it out that the person who risked his life for strangers is also Muslim so I was being helpful.
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It's almost as if people of the same religion aren't all alike.
 
C-Money said:
I don't think all churches are evil. I do think the main two purposes for the beginning of organized religion and for a lot of churches still today are money and control.
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I have never had a good experience going to church. Far too much hypocrisy and fakeness.
 
superrific said:
Hindu hate works a bit different. As far as I know, even the most virulent Hindu nationalists are fine with Christians, Jews, Buddhists -- pretty much all religions except Muslims, who they hate with a passion perhaps unmatched elsewhere. It's like -- same amount of hate, more focused.
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Hinduism fundamentalism is very antagonistic to Christianity, as well, as they see Christianity largely as the religion of colonizers. But even when dealing with pre-colonization Christianity in India, Hindu fundamentalists view Christianity as a "foreign" religion. Christians in India are subject to abuse from Hindu fundamentalists, although on a smaller scale than Muslims largely because there are about 6x as many Muslims as Christians, leading to Muslims "fighting back" more often.

Hindu fundamentalists view on Buddhism is a little more nuanced, as Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. In that regard, Hindu fundamentalists tend to view Buddhists as more of an "errant child" to be corrected than one to try to wipe out/remove from the country altogether. There are instances of sectarian violence against Buddhists when Buddhists refuse to be controlled by Hindu majorities.

Hindu fundamentalists also have a fairly nuanced view of Sikhs and Jains, as well, as both are native Indian, but non-Hindu, religions. As with Buddhism, there isn't the idea that these religions are "foreign invaders" as with Christianity and Islam. However, as these religions are not Hindu offshoots, they are seen as "improper" Indian religions which are not acceptable for a unified India under Hinduism. Of course, as Jains are pacifists and Sikhs only believe in violence as a last resort in self-defense, it's a bit harder to engage in mutual violence with these groups. However, there is a history of anti-Jain and anti-Sikh violence in India, although it is more common for these groups to simply abide their oppression because they are fairly numerically small and know they do not stand a great chance of benefitting from violent responses.

In short, a basic tenet of Hindu fundamentalism is that India is a Hindu country and that all "real Indians" should practice Hinduism.
 
SnoopRob said:
Hinduism fundamentalism is very antagonistic to Christianity, as well, as they see Christianity largely as the religion of colonizers. But even when dealing with pre-colonization Christianity in India, Hindu fundamentalists view Christianity as a "foreign" religion. Christians in India are subject to abuse from Hindu fundamentalists, although on a smaller scale than Muslims largely because there are about 6x as many Muslims as Christians, leading to Muslims "fighting back" more often.

Hindu fundamentalists view on Buddhism is a little more nuanced, as Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. In that regard, Hindu fundamentalists tend to view Buddhists as more of an "errant child" to be corrected than one to try to wipe out/remove from the country altogether. There are instances of sectarian violence against Buddhists when Buddhists refuse to be controlled by Hindu majorities.

Hindu fundamentalists also have a fairly nuanced view of Sikhs and Jains, as well, as both are native Indian, but non-Hindu, religions. As with Buddhism, there isn't the idea that these religions are "foreign invaders" as with Christianity and Islam. However, as these religions are not Hindu offshoots, they are seen as "improper" Indian religions which are not acceptable for a unified India under Hinduism. Of course, as Jains are pacifists and Sikhs only believe in violence as a last resort in self-defense, it's a bit harder to engage in mutual violence with these groups. However, there is a history of anti-Jain and anti-Sikh violence in India, although it is more common for these groups to simply abide their oppression because they are fairly numerically small and know they do not stand a great chance of benefitting from violent responses.

In short, a basic tenet of Hindu fundamentalism is that India is a Hindu country and that all "real Indians" should practice Hinduism.
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Duke Mu said:
. . .. The thing about anti-semitism, is that it seems to be an EO hate. Muslims, Germans, white Christian nationalists. Get in line. Bibi has actually fed the hate. He wants it to stay in office.
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While my memories of the 1950's are so fragmented as to barely be classified as memories, my memories of the 1960's are "better." Based on my memories, the Black people of the South had no stronger allies or supporters than the Jewish people of America. But with the upswing of influence that the Islamic faith had among Black Americans, a rift opened between Black Americans and Jewish Americans that has not yet healed. The internal enemies who seek to marginalize and discriminate both groups face are all but identical.

I have never understood why Black Americans feel an greater identity with and closeness to those of the Islamic faith than they do of those of the Jewish faith. If Black Americans want to search history for who played a greated role in their enslavement and forced transport to the United States, then I genuinely believe that the ancestors of those of the Islamic faith have more blood on their hands than those of the Jewish faith do.

ETA: I have a distinct recollection from the 1960's that those who were most public with their hatred of Black Americans were equally effusive to support that hatred with an allegation that the "leading" supporters of Black equality were Jewish Americans, as if recitation of that allegation was sufficient in and of itself to discredit the entire movement by Black Americans for equal rights.
 
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DougDaBroadcasta said:
No atheist would talk positively about an Islamic uprising, just as they wouldn't talk positively about a Christian one.

You're just showing your ignorance.
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Leftists and Islamists are allies in their college pro Palestinian “protests” Do you watch the news? Tons of liberal white women, dressed like Arafat, chanting Islamic slogans on college campuses.
 
Ramrouser said:
Leftists and Islamists are allies in their college pro Palestinian “protests” Do you watch the news? Tons of liberal white women, dressed like Arafat, chanting Islamic slogans on college campuses.
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I do not think you are correct but on the logic going forward I will explicitly consider Conservatives, white supremacists, maga, and Christian supremacists allies.
 
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