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You would be macabre enough to suggest such a thing. And I would never make any sort of a deal with you. For any reason. I trust Donald Trump more than I trust you.
Terrorist attack in Sydney
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ZenMode
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I suggested such a thing to make a point about your insinuation that I am being a conspiracy theorist.
Didn’t some white supremacist murder a bunch of people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh a few years ago? Jihadists hate Jews, but so do skinheads.
gtyellowjacket
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Yeah. I looked it up on the wikipedia. In the US, the violent attacker of a Jewish institution is more than likely going to be a white dude. There are certainly Muslims on the list and I did find one Indian-American guy??? but the majority were white dudes.
If it was an attack in Europe or the middle east, more than likely middle-eastern muslims.
List of attacks on Jewish institutions - Wikipedia
Mulberry Heel
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Yep. And the usual suspects are also now using this tragedy to claim (utterly falsely) that it happened because of Australia's strict gun laws, and that if only Australians were loaded to the gills with guns as in America then this would never have happened. Never mind that Australia in the past decade has had about 40 gun deaths from mass shootings, while America has had over 5,500. The right-wing motto: Never let a tragedy go to waste to push a false narrative.
If you are talking the US, the vast majority of synagogue attacks in the last 10 years have been from Nazis, not Muslims. The Islamic attacks in the US have tended to be committed against the general public at large.
Edit -- I guess a lot of people realized Zen missed a key demo in his above post.
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How NSW gun numbers exploded to more than 1m in the past 20 years
Anne Davies
Successive state governments in NSW have had an ambivalent approach to gun control over the past two decades since Port Arthur prompted an Australia-wide crackdown.
The reason is the power of the pro-gun lobby in NSW represented in parliament by the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, which holds key numbers in the state’s upper house.
The single-issue party may only hold two seats in the Legislative Council, but they are often crucial to getting legislation through, particularly when there is opposition from the progressives on the crossbench.
The Shooters have also made inroads in the lower house by winning regional seats or coming close, usually at the expense of the NSW Nationals.
In the past six months, the Minns Labor government has demonstrated its susceptibility to the shooting lobby by openly entertaining support for a private member’s bill that proposed a right to hunt and would have allowed recreational hunting in state forests and crown lands.
After pushback from victims’ groups and Walter Mikac, whose children Alannah and Madeleine were killed at Port Arthur, Chris Minns balked at enshrining the right to hunt, and changes that would have allowed the use of silencers and night vision goggles (which were opposed by NSW police as well).
The premier eventually also said no to a hunting authority (even though it was in the state budget), which many feared would lead to a government-funded lobby group for hunters. But Minns was still toying with allowing the bill to be debated in government time as late as a few weeks ago.
There has certainly been no debate about clamping down on guns in NSW over the past decade, despite some high-profile incidents.
The result of NSW’s approach has been an explosion in gun numbers – which now total over 1m across the state. Over 258,000 people hold firearms licences. Most list recreational hunting of feral animals as the reason for their licence. The number held by primary producers – often cited as why guns are needed – is a small fraction in comparison.
ZenMode
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Yep, there are lots of violent, ignorant Jew haters, but the point, as I mentioned, is that assuming today's attacker was Muslim is anything but a conspiracy theory.
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The Israeli government oppresses and brutalizes Palestinians on Palestinian lands to the delight of Israeli majorities. Masses of Jews in Israel, the US and everywhere condemn Israel and protest in support of Palestinian rights.
Islamic terrorists attack innocent Jews in Australia as a Muslim man saves Jewish lives in an act of heroism.
The world is a complicated place where pat narratives fail as the battles of good vs evil/tribalism vs humanism forever persist.
Islamic terrorists attack innocent Jews in Australia as a Muslim man saves Jewish lives in an act of heroism.
The world is a complicated place where pat narratives fail as the battles of good vs evil/tribalism vs humanism forever persist.
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I thought the insinuation was that you’re being a jerk.
1moretimeagain
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GoFundMe for the man who took down one of the shooters is approaching $500,000. Bill Ackman put in $100k.
A good rule of thumb is to just skip Zen’s poasts.
Mulberry Heel
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That's terrible news, but it's still worth noting that Australia's gun control laws have led to a much, much lower death rate from guns than here in the USA.How NSW gun numbers exploded to more than 1m in the past 20 years
Anne Davies
Successive state governments in NSW have had an ambivalent approach to gun control over the past two decades since Port Arthur prompted an Australia-wide crackdown.
The reason is the power of the pro-gun lobby in NSW represented in parliament by the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, which holds key numbers in the state’s upper house.
The single-issue party may only hold two seats in the Legislative Council, but they are often crucial to getting legislation through, particularly when there is opposition from the progressives on the crossbench.
The Shooters have also made inroads in the lower house by winning regional seats or coming close, usually at the expense of the NSW Nationals.
In the past six months, the Minns Labor government has demonstrated its susceptibility to the shooting lobby by openly entertaining support for a private member’s bill that proposed a right to hunt and would have allowed recreational hunting in state forests and crown lands.
After pushback from victims’ groups and Walter Mikac, whose children Alannah and Madeleine were killed at Port Arthur, Chris Minns balked at enshrining the right to hunt, and changes that would have allowed the use of silencers and night vision goggles (which were opposed by NSW police as well).
The premier eventually also said no to a hunting authority (even though it was in the state budget), which many feared would lead to a government-funded lobby group for hunters. But Minns was still toying with allowing the bill to be debated in government time as late as a few weeks ago.
There has certainly been no debate about clamping down on guns in NSW over the past decade, despite some high-profile incidents.
The result of NSW’s approach has been an explosion in gun numbers – which now total over 1m across the state. Over 258,000 people hold firearms licences. Most list recreational hunting of feral animals as the reason for their licence. The number held by primary producers – often cited as why guns are needed – is a small fraction in comparison.
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If it will make you feel better we could just say it's ignorant and foolish given the number of antisemitic attacks committed by non-Muslims in recent years
I predicted earlier today that a GoFundMe would be started and that it would raise so much money he’d end up starting his own charity. Seems like that is well on its way.
1moretimeagain
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Cinnabon and she’s up to $155k.
JCTarheel82
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Pffff, that's nothing compared to the racist lady in Minnesota who called an autistic 5 year old the n word several months back. I think she grifted almost $1 mil.
