The Athletic scoop - UNC’s secret realignment planning

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That's why the original Power 5 schools should have just broken away from the NCAA, had all the schools under one league with divisions based on geography and traditional rivalries. They had 65 schools if you include Notre Dame. Could easily have 8 regions.
 
rodoheel said:
We have no legal route to "decamp" until 2036, unless and until (1) FSU and/or Clemson succeed in their lawsuits (which I think is unlikely), or (2) we are prepared to make a massive (likely crippling) financial outlay to the other ACC schools.
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While you are not wrong, we had better hope that ESPN opens an avenue for us. By 2036, we won't have an athletic program that can be resurrected to compete with the current SEC and BIG teams. I don't think that's hyperbole in the least. We are economically bleeding out. We won't remain relevant another 5 years, much less another decade.
 
superrific said:
I don't have an opinion on what we should do. I'm just saying that the lust for TV money has destroyed college sports.

How am I supposed to give a fuck when everything is dark? Who the fuck is in our conference? Who the fuck is on our team? Who is on anyone's team? We don't even bother learning the players' names any more. Like "the big guy" for Duke.

Literally the only reason to root for the Heels is the jersey, and nothing else. History is gone. Competition is gone. Player maturation is gone. Everything that used to be good about college sports is gone or going. Now it's mostly just a minor league.
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Your statements here, combined with your posts about athletes being overpaid, makes it seem like your issue is with players being compensated for their work.
 
wmheel1287 said:
We are economically bleeding out. We won't remain relevant another 5 years, much less another decade.
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Football Booster support with Belichick is right hopeful It looks like there is an attempt to inject that kind of fervor into Mens Basketball The recent Capital Campaign sets up a $500 mill endowement- a lot of it to support Non Revenue sports so they don't need quite as much support from Football/ Basketball revenue . Scholarships in basically all Non reveue sports going WAY up -Rams Club will get it done
I am very hopeful Basically we have really great program-except Football And we are trying hard there-surging with funding
 
mpaer said:
Football Booster support with Belichick is right hopeful It looks like there is an attempt to inject that kind of fervor into Mens Basketball The recent Capital Campaign sets up a $500 mill endowement- a lot of it to support Non Revenue sports so they don't need quite as much support from Football/ Basketball revenue . Scholarships in basically all Non reveue sports going WAY up -Rams Club will get it done
I am very hopeful Basically we have really great program-except Football And we are trying hard there-surging with funding
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We can "fake it til we make it" long enough to make us super desirable at the big boy table for about another 3 or 4 years (assuming hoops gets its shit together). We cant sustain a perpetual 20 Mil annual hole in my opinion.
 
wmheel1287 said:
We can "fake it til we make it" long enough to make us super desirable at the big boy table for about another 3 or 4 years (assuming hoops gets its shit together). We cant sustain a perpetual 20 Mil annual hole in my opinion.
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I hear you
This last year we did not have a defecit. Now the $14 mil "institutional Support " line is bothersome ............
 
stankeylegjones said:
Your statements here, combined with your posts about athletes being overpaid, makes it seem like your issue is with players being compensated for their work.
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This is not the first time you've drawn wild and illogical inferences about me from posts that indicate nothing of the sort. What's up with that? I started a thread about pro athletes who are becoming billionaires are also becoming a substantial part of income inequality. It's not remotely close to what you're talking about here.
 
superrific said:
????

Literally nothing I said pertains to players being paid. Nothing. Zilch.
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You understand why players are moving around far more now than just a few years ago. You know it's because of NIL. You complain about not knowing who's of whose team. Players not staying around to mature. And so on. It's pretty easy to draw the conclusion that I posted.
 
superrific said:
This is not the first time you've drawn wild and illogical inferences about me from posts that indicate nothing of the sort. What's up with that? I started a thread about pro athletes who are becoming billionaires are also becoming a substantial part of income inequality. It's not remotely close to what you're talking about here.
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If you don't mean to imply what is written, then change what you wrote.
 
mpaer said:
I hear you
This last year we did not have a defecit. Now the $14 mil "institutional Support " line is bothersome ............
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Not having a deficit is not nearly the same thing as not being in the same stratosphere of money to spend as teams in the BIG and SEC.

Take baseball as an example. It's a top 10 national program. Our total baseball expenditure would be dead least in the SEC and I believe 11th in the BIG.

We simply can't keep doing that and hope to remain relevant.
 
And yes super, I am harder on your than the others. That is because the others don't proclaim to have superior intelligence. With such declarations come high standards.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Not having a deficit is not nearly the same thing as not being in the same stratosphere of money to spend as teams in the BIG and SEC.

Take baseball as an example. It's a top 10 national program. Our total baseball expenditure would be dead least in the SEC and I believe 11th in the BIG.

We simply can't keep doing that and hope to remain relevant.
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I agree we need to be P-2-for the money. Can't wave a magic wand to get there-wish we could
 
stankeylegjones said:
You understand why players are moving around far more now than just a few years ago. You know it's because of NIL. You complain about not knowing who's of whose team. Players not staying around to mature. And so on. It's pretty easy to draw the conclusion that I posted.
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It's pretty easy to draw any conclusion if you're willing to throw away logic and reason.

There are literally thousands of sports leagues around the world in which players get paid. I'm not aware of a single one that allows players to switch teams after every year. That's what I object to. Paying players has nothing to do with it.

And it's a cumulative thing. Players not staying around to mature has been a thing for a while. Duke and Kentucky would turn over their rosters pretty much every year, and we've certainly lost players to the pros very early. I think that makes the game less fun to watch, but fine, nothing is perfect. But chip away at everything and there's nothing left. Conferences are bullshit. Rivalries don't matter. Players jump around. Like I said, there's literally nothing to root for but a jersey.

So yeah, it's not about players getting paid. Players could get paid and the mid 90s ACC would still be awesome. I don't understand why you pick fights with me about logic. What do you think is going to happen?
 
stankeylegjones said:
If you don't mean to imply what is written, then change what you wrote.
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Your inability to reason logically is not my fault and it is not a function of what I wrote. Literally nothing I wrote implies anything you claim. It's not even a close call. You could pay every player $1M a year and it wouldn't change any of my complaints.

You're not hard on me. You just make a fool of yourself.
 
rebeltarheel0408 said:
It still blows my mind that all the ACC schools signed onto the Grant of Rights.
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I know Jack about the law but could t you argue the idiots who signed the deal were acting in the best interest of the conference and not the school and for that reason didn’t perform their duties properly and the contract is toast.
Or pay the 150 million.
 
superrific said:
It's pretty easy to draw any conclusion if you're willing to throw away logic and reason.

There are literally thousands of sports leagues around the world in which players get paid. I'm not aware of a single one that allows players to switch teams after every year. That's what I object to. Paying players has nothing to do with it.

And it's a cumulative thing. Players not staying around to mature has been a thing for a while. Duke and Kentucky would turn over their rosters pretty much every year, and we've certainly lost players to the pros very early. I think that makes the game less fun to watch, but fine, nothing is perfect. But chip away at everything and there's nothing left. Conferences are bullshit. Rivalries don't matter. Players jump around. Like I said, there's literally nothing to root for but a jersey.

So yeah, it's not about players getting paid. Players could get paid and the mid 90s ACC would still be awesome. I don't understand why you pick fights with me about logic. What do you think is going to happen?
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Are you back on your trolling kick? You surely understand the reason players are moving around so much now. But, I'll take you on the face of your comments, you are against letting players have the freedoms that are afforded to their coaches, in addition to the financial freedoms. Got it.
 
superrific said:
Your inability to reason logically is not my fault and it is not a function of what I wrote. Literally nothing I wrote implies anything you claim. It's not even a close call. You could pay every player $1M a year and it wouldn't change any of my complaints.

You're not hard on me. You just make a fool of yourself.
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Of course it wouldn't change why you don't like the current situation. What a dumb comment.

And, I'm secure enough in my abilities to look like a fool at times. (This is not one of those times, however.) Can you say the same?
 
stankeylegjones said:
Of course it wouldn't change why you don't like the current situation. What a dumb comment.

And, I'm secure enough in my abilities to look like a fool at times. (This is not one of those times, however.) Can you say the same?
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What a dumb comment? What is wrong with you? That's literally the whole issue. I guess we have to do this thing where basic principles get explained to you.

If Anne doesn't like X because of A, it means that if A ceases, she will like X. If you say that she really doesn't like X because of B, but her position doesn't change if B or not B, then her feelings toward X has nothing to do with B.

If you say that the players getting paid doesn't affect why I don't like the current situation, then you're saying that players getting paid isn't my reason at all. Which is of course the truth, and what I've been saying, and yet despite your admission you are still making the same accusation.

This is a matter of simple logic. I'm embarrassed for you that it has come to this, but here we are.
 
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