The Charlie Kirk Thread

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Ddseddse said:
Multiple choice test: The terminally online gun nut kid that killed Charlie Kirk inscribed "Ciao bella bella" on a bullet because:

A) He was a history buff, specializing in century old obscure Italian anti fascist songs of which NONE of us were aware existed last week, or,
B) Because he ran across it on a Spotify playlist titled "Groyper War (America First 🇺🇸)".

I'm accepting good faith answers only.
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Again this kid was clearly a Groyper.
 
theel4life said:
Again this kid was clearly a Groyper.
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i realize u want to own the pubs but it only matter to blue sheep what he was/is. red mules have their minds made up what he is. facts do not matter in todays politically divided environment. why not try another method?
 
OGtruthhurts said:
i realize u want to own the pubs but it only matter to blue sheep what he was/is. red mules have their minds made up what he is. facts do not matter in todays politically divided environment. why not try another method?
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I don’t want to own anyone. All the signs and evidence paint him him as an obvious Groyper.
 
superrific said:
I prefer sympathy to poison ivy. That doesn't mean I think poison ivy is fine.

He "preferred" sympathy because sympathy is ultimately about condescension. It's about feeling pity and sorrow for others. Empathy is an equalizing concept. That's why it is is commonly associated with Jesus Christ.
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I think Kirk meant exactly what he said, and that is the problem. The fundamental divide between conservatives and liberal is whether they feel the need to treat members of out-groups as equal (in rights, in status, even in humanity) with their own preferred in-group. Empathy (by putting yourself in others shoes and experiencing the world as they experience it) demands that you you treat out groups as equal status to your in group. Sympathy is a cheat code where you get to still feel good about yourself while taking a dump on members of out-groups.

There's a ton of utility in this in group vs. out group frame, because it cuts the "identity politics" cord. There are many conservatives who do not use race as an in-group/out-group classifier (preferring political affiliation, for example) and that tends to stymie liberals who throw our blanket racism charges (making them easily refutable).

This doesn't change the fact that Kirk was clearly a racist. Nor does it change the fact that the racist conservatives outnumber the non-racist conservatives, and once they take full power they will purge their ranks and force their racist agenda universally (as any student of history will tell you is 100% inevitable).
 
OGtruthhurts said:
i realize u want to own the pubs but it only matter to blue sheep what he was/is. red mules have their minds made up what he is. facts do not matter in todays politically divided environment. why not try another method?
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It matters as a point of history and as a statement that their lies will not go unchallenged. Consider it part of a butterfly affect. It will be one more thing to extract payment for. Standing up for the place of truth and honor in our country might seem archaic to you but pretty in tune with the Founding Fathers to me. I like my POV better. It doesn't leave me wallowing in the mud with pigs fighting for garbage.
 
theel4life said:
Again this kid was clearly a Groyper."
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Still waiting for this discussion to gain ANY traction on MSM. The nearly universal assumption is that the bullet with "hey, fascist! Catch!" proves he shot Kirk for his right-wing rhetoric. All the attention has been on the How? and not the Why? of the shooting.
 
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