The Charlie Kirk Thread

ChileG said:
Violence against people? The right kills five times as many people as the left when it comes to political violence. It’s sad that that isn’t being acknowledged. When it gets painted as a problem equal on both sides, then the main perpetrators don’t get held responsible.
As an example, just look at how the guy at MSNBC (iirc) got immediately canned for saying something merely insensitive, while the guys on Fox News literally call for war and violence and nothing happens to them.
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Yep, the media double standard that now exists for conservatives and liberals is ridiculous. Matt Dowd says something that offends Trumpers and he's quickly fired by MSNBC, yet conservatives led by Laura Loomer and Libs of Tik Tok have been patrolling the net looking for anybody who's said anything they find offensive about Charlie Kirk and then pressuring their employers to fire them. Hell, Dear Leader and South Carolina GOP politicians have joined the effort to fire tenured professors at Clemson and revoke tenure at universities because some of them posted things about Kirk they didn't like - and tenure was designed to protect professors from being fired for political reasons just like this.

But conservative commentators have also said offensive things about liberals since Kirk's death, including threats of violence (Laura Loomer and others), yet to date not a single one of them has been fired or even punished or disciplined. And social media is rife with attacks blaming liberals for Kirk's death, but to date no conservatives have been fired, nor have liberals been organizing to do so. Brian Kilmeade of Fox & Friends said just a couple of days ago that homeless people should be euthanized. He apologized, but unlike Dowd he wasn't even reprimanded by Fox, much less fired. At this point you'd have to be blind not to see that liberals and conservatives are being held to totally different standards when it comes to public statements and social media posts.
 
Centerpiece said:
I thought the shell casings were etched with some antifa stuff... "Ciao this and that" from the WWII antifas in Italy
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Multiple choice test: The terminally online gun nut kid that killed Charlie Kirk inscribed "Ciao bella bella" on a bullet because:

A) He was a history buff, specializing in century old obscure Italian anti fascist songs of which NONE of us were aware existed last week, or,
B) Because he ran across it on a Spotify playlist titled "Groyper War (America First 🇺🇸)".

I'm accepting good faith answers only.
 
Ddseddse said:
Multiple choice test: The terminally online gun nut kid that killed Charlie Kirk inscribed "Ciao bella bella" on a bullet because:

A) He was a history buff, specializing in century old obscure Italian anti fascist songs of which NONE of us were aware existed last week, or,
B) Because he ran across it on a Spotify playlist titled "Groyper War (America First 🇺🇸)".

I'm accepting good faith answers only.
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Again this kid was clearly a Groyper.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
i realize u want to own the pubs but it only matter to blue sheep what he was/is. red mules have their minds made up what he is. facts do not matter in todays politically divided environment. why not try another method?
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I don’t want to own anyone. All the signs and evidence paint him him as an obvious Groyper.
 
superrific said:
I prefer sympathy to poison ivy. That doesn't mean I think poison ivy is fine.

He "preferred" sympathy because sympathy is ultimately about condescension. It's about feeling pity and sorrow for others. Empathy is an equalizing concept. That's why it is is commonly associated with Jesus Christ.
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I think Kirk meant exactly what he said, and that is the problem. The fundamental divide between conservatives and liberal is whether they feel the need to treat members of out-groups as equal (in rights, in status, even in humanity) with their own preferred in-group. Empathy (by putting yourself in others shoes and experiencing the world as they experience it) demands that you you treat out groups as equal status to your in group. Sympathy is a cheat code where you get to still feel good about yourself while taking a dump on members of out-groups.

There's a ton of utility in this in group vs. out group frame, because it cuts the "identity politics" cord. There are many conservatives who do not use race as an in-group/out-group classifier (preferring political affiliation, for example) and that tends to stymie liberals who throw our blanket racism charges (making them easily refutable).

This doesn't change the fact that Kirk was clearly a racist. Nor does it change the fact that the racist conservatives outnumber the non-racist conservatives, and once they take full power they will purge their ranks and force their racist agenda universally (as any student of history will tell you is 100% inevitable).
 
OGtruthhurts said:
i realize u want to own the pubs but it only matter to blue sheep what he was/is. red mules have their minds made up what he is. facts do not matter in todays politically divided environment. why not try another method?
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It matters as a point of history and as a statement that their lies will not go unchallenged. Consider it part of a butterfly affect. It will be one more thing to extract payment for. Standing up for the place of truth and honor in our country might seem archaic to you but pretty in tune with the Founding Fathers to me. I like my POV better. It doesn't leave me wallowing in the mud with pigs fighting for garbage.
 
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