The Charlie Kirk Thread

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ChapelHillSooner said:
They literally have called democrats communists for 40 years.
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Hell, Trump has said repeatedly in just the last few days that Democrats are radical sick people who hate America. But of course since Republicans believe that's actually true they've got no problems with it, but call them a Nazi and they suffer epic meltdowns, as we're seeing here.
 

Workers Are Getting Fired Over Posts Mocking Charlie Kirk’s Death​

Campaigns to alert employers to contentious posts are posing new challenges for bosses; ‘This is very different’ from past political controversies at work​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/business/charli...c?st=PmaVPR&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… The swift response from companies underscores their eagerness to distance themselves from political commentary that risks blowing back on their reputations with consumers—or the Trump administration.

… “This is very different,” said Vanessa Matsis-McCready, associate general counsel and vice president of HR services for Engage PEO, which handles workplace functions for small and medium businesses. “I really don’t feel like there was a time when you could have an individual make a statement on their personal social media and have their employer receive thousands of phone calls.”

… “You need to look at people who are saying horrible things. And they shouldn’t be working with you,” she said. She added that Justice Department officials would look into the Office Depot incident.

“Businesses cannot discriminate,” she said. “We can prosecute you for that.”

… Private-sector employees aren’t legally protected from repercussions for words or actions even if it happens outside the workplace, legal experts say….”
 
All I can say is that the zealots are in control and they are coming for anyone who questions them. It certainly starts with the folks publicly celebrating Kirk's death because they are easy targets who even people like me could punch in the face on a personal level (but i would never wield the power of public office to punish them). Make no mistake, however, that it does not stop there. It won't stop. There is no safety mechanism. The very same people who go along now with punishing people for Kirk will be fine 3 months from now with a night in jail for anyone who criticizes Trump on Facebook. And 3 months after that they'll be fine with a month in prison for doing so. After that....
 
nycfan said:

Workers Are Getting Fired Over Posts Mocking Charlie Kirk’s Death​

Campaigns to alert employers to contentious posts are posing new challenges for bosses; ‘This is very different’ from past political controversies at work​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/business/charli...c?st=PmaVPR&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… The swift response from companies underscores their eagerness to distance themselves from political commentary that risks blowing back on their reputations with consumers—or the Trump administration.

… “This is very different,” said Vanessa Matsis-McCready, associate general counsel and vice president of HR services for Engage PEO, which handles workplace functions for small and medium businesses. “I really don’t feel like there was a time when you could have an individual make a statement on their personal social media and have their employer receive thousands of phone calls.”

… “You need to look at people who are saying horrible things. And they shouldn’t be working with you,” she said. She added that Justice Department officials would look into the Office Depot incident.

“Businesses cannot discriminate,” she said. “We can prosecute you for that.”

… Private-sector employees aren’t legally protected from repercussions for words or actions even if it happens outside the workplace, legal experts say….”
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extreme woke cancel culture from Trump supporters with a straight face…amazing
 


“… George Zinn was arrested moments after the fatal Sept. 10 shooting of the right-wing activist at Utah Valley University, when he told an officer at the scene: “I shot him, now shoot me.”

… Authorities say his lies wasted critical investigative resources before the actual suspect, Tyler Robinson, was taken into custody.

… Following the arrest of Zinn, the Salt Lake Tribunereported that he has been a familiar—and often disruptive—presence at Utah political and cultural events for decades, turning up everywhere from GOP gatherings to protests and film screenings.

Prosecutors say Zinn’s rap sheet goes back to the 1980s, often for trespass and disorderly conduct. Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill described him as a politically conservative, libertarian-leaning gadfly who was more oddball than menace.…”
 


How long will it take this outrage machine to sputter out? It is so valuable to powerful people who have a vested interest in feeding it, it could take some time.

How bottomless is the generalized rage of MAGA being funneled through the Kirk assassination? I’ve always thought that the explosion of mass protests around the murders of George Floyd was as much or more about the tinderbox of penthouse up COVID isolation. People desperately wanted a reason to be part of collective human contact and were furious about police brutality but also a myriad other complaints.

This MAGA response feels similar to me to that and it took some time for the tide to reverse against the excesses of politicians and activists who exploited the George Floyd upwelling.
 
Well, Robinson got the chaos he wanted because the right are too deplorable to admit he killed Kirk because he thought Kirk wasn't deplorable enough.
 


[Bondi didn’t make this distinction in her hate speech comments yesterday]

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But a sizable portion of MAGA are offended by her references to “hate speech” at all — Kirk expressly denied the existence of hate speech and a lot of MAGA deplore heightening crimes based on “hate speech”. It is an interesting schism in the ranks.
 
nycfan said:


[Bondi didn’t make this distinction in her hate speech comments yesterday]

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But a sizable portion of MAGA are offended by her references to “hate speech” at all — Kirk expressly denied the existence of hate speech and a lot of MAGA deplore heightening crimes based on “hate speech”. It is an interesting schism in the ranks.
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Bondi yesterday:



sample MAGA responses:





But as noted, her back-pedaling today is obvious damage control.

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A bit surprised … Rand is a toad but he is a mostly consistent one to the point of being a gadfly in his own party. This is a bit off-brand for him, though absolutely of the political moment.

 
With all the news about the right compiling a list of people who "celebrated" kirk's death (approx 60k according tob1 group), it made me think about people who are so public in their support and praise of kirk...

If I were an employer, I would take note of each and every kirk-er and realize who I was employing. And then in 2 months or whatever, fire their assess when they make a mistake that could justify the firing.

Not as a retaliation for any of this cancel culture nonsense, but bc I would want to protect my business from anyone who is public in their support of racism, homophobia, and bigotry. Not a far leap to imagine how such a person could ruin any business that needs the entire general public to be successful.
 
Glad Charlie has merged into only one thread, and as somebody said zero threads might be better. It’s time for the Charlie stuff to fadeaway into the abyss of the 24 hour news cycle.
This may not be true, but I had heard that he was on a flight with Jeffrey Epstein to “the island” and it was there the two of them concocted the tariffs idea and floated it by Trump, who was also there. While there, they stumbled across Hunter’s laptop and therein found all of Hillary’s emails.
 
nycfan said:


[Bondi didn’t make this distinction in her hate speech comments yesterday]

IMG_9711.jpeg

But a sizable portion of MAGA are offended by her references to “hate speech” at all — Kirk expressly denied the existence of hate speech and a lot of MAGA deplore heightening crimes based on “hate speech”. It is an interesting schism in the ranks.
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The schism doesn’t matter. She’s generating pretext and it seems like the biggest conspiracy in all of the stuff surrounding the murder of CK is the concerted effort by various people in the administration and several right wing pundits/SM personalities is to fabricate a rationale to use federal law enforcement to harass, intimidate and persecute those on the left. I wonder which MAGA sociopath came up with this plan. Vance? Miller? Thiel?
 
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