The Charlie Kirk Thread

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nycfan said:
I am very clearly on team ellipse, which I read are called “boomer dots” by the youngs. Youngs obviously don’t understand how much Gen X values the snarky pregnant pause implied by skilled deployment of the ellipse. They also don’t do grammar.
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Ooh, I like boomer dots.
 
rodoheel said:
People like ram aren’t actually that stupid - they understand exactly what’s happening, they just like it. Most of the right is perfectly happy to have the government tread all over liberals and leftists, who after all aren’t “real” Americans anyway.
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Which is why we will need to tread all over them. I know you think you can't get to virtue that way; that's yet to be determined (no great historical analogues for 21st century America). What seems certain is that we can't get there without it. They don't change their tune unless it hurts them. And the old line about "first they came for the communists . . . then they came for me and there was nobody left to speak" does nothing for them unless they think there is a chance that they will ever come for them. That's why the line, "free speech affects all of us" carries no weight for MAGA. They can't think that abstractly.

The only way they will learn about a free press is to shut down Fox News and right-wing media. Then they might understand its importance. Hopefully we can teach the lesson quickly enough to pull back from the brink before that becomes the new normal. And then we need about 10 years of uninterrupted rule to re-establish our norms as norms.

In other words, we need reconstruction. The north recognized that after the Civil War.
 
nycfan said:
A Pennsylvania man who was stalking a young woman and her family after she didn’t want to continue dating him after a few dates, ambushed and gunned down five police officers in rural Pennsylvania yesterday. The shooter was shot and killed by one of the injured officers.

Three of the officers have died, two are in critical condition. [More info on the Mass Shooting Thread]

This seems like it should get at least as much attention as the Kirk assassination, TBH, but so far it has not.

Here is the FoxNews page right now:

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I know we are pretty numb to mass shootings and five people plus a shooter shot doesn’t rate a ton of coverage these days (just see the mostly ignored school shooting the day day Kirk was killed), but we’re talking FIVE COPS ambushed/shot, three dead. Kind of weird it doesn’t rate more attention.

I had to scroll down below WNBA coverage to find this at CNN:

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It is only second lead at the Philadelphia Inquirer:

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rodoheel said:
This is true conservatism; conservatism as it's been since the French Revolution. These are the people who are happy to have a king as long as the king is on their side. He will make whatever justification or rationalization he has to make. Don't hold your breath thinking there is any set of circumstances that could change his mind or his opinion.
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Well, not having the king on their side might help.
 
altmin said:
That happened in 2018 and 2020. nothing changed
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Some things that i hope will be different:
> Trump was still out there blowing his pie hole back then. He will be one old SOB and hopefully not gaming for another run, so the hope is that his fat mouth is shut.
> The economy does better under the nonMaga winner and there isn't 2x digit inflation.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I think the lesson learned would be "oh, we need to make sure they're never able to do that to us again."
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No, that's the lesson we need to be learning now. And then apply it. And we can see what language they speak. They don't care for principles. They care about whether their side is winning. Treat them like a Bunting run defense and maybe we have a chance.
 
nycfan said:
I am very clearly on team ellipse, which I read are called “boomer dots” by the youngs. Youngs obviously don’t understand how much Gen X values the snarky pregnant pause implied by skilled deployment of the ellipse. They also don’t do grammar.
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I did not know the underappreciated ellipse was called "boomer dots ", but that makes sense.

My guess is that grammar is no longer taught in school nor is grammar necessary when texting which is becoming the sole method of written communication( eg. no complete sentences or punctuation )
 
superrific said:
Which is why we will need to tread all over them. I know you think you can't get to virtue that way; that's yet to be determined (no great historical analogues for 21st century America). What seems certain is that we can't get there without it. They don't change their tune unless it hurts them. And the old line about "first they came for the communists . . . then they came for me and there was nobody left to speak" does nothing for them unless they think there is a chance that they will ever come for them. That's why the line, "free speech affects all of us" carries no weight for MAGA. They can't think that abstractly.

The only way they will learn about a free press is to shut down Fox News and right-wing media. Then they might understand its importance. Hopefully we can teach the lesson quickly enough to pull back from the brink before that becomes the new normal. And then we need about 10 years of uninterrupted rule to re-establish our norms as norms.

In other words, we need reconstruction. The north recognized that after the Civil War.
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I understand your point. But the country is never going to accept "reconstruction" unless we have something like the Civil War first. And as I've said many times in other contexts, as bad as things are, I don't think we're close to the point where I'm willing to say that a horrific Civil War is our only way out, both because I simply refuse to accept that the absolute horror of a Civil War is the best we can do, and more importantly because of the fact that the result of that Civil War could, in fact, not be a "victory" for freedom and liberty, but could instead be ushering in world that is far, far worse than the one we live in right this moment, something like a 21st century dark age.
 
superrific said:
Well, not having the king on their side might help.
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A king would be on their side pretty much by default, even if not at first. There is no such thing as a liberal king. Absolute power and liberalism/leftism are fundamentally incompatible. If we learned anything from Lenin and the Bolsheviks, it should be that. They started off saying they were being temporary tyrants until they got to the place that they were ready to give the power to the people. Newsflash: that point never came.
 
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