The Charlie Kirk Thread

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My hope is that one of the things that come from CK's death, after all the firings and suspensions from people celebrating is over and people realize that they shouldn't post hate shit on social media, is that there is actually a reduction in that type of thing and political hate speech is more closely examined and we have better discourse in the country. But trump can't shut his damn mouth for two seconds and let this play out and is making it about him rather than CK. I'm not a fan of JK. I think he isn't very smart. I'm for everyone, including trump, raising hell at ABC about JK, but I'm not ok with him using the fcc to put pressure on ABC. I think he is going to wind up in court and lose when he does it to someone that their bosses say F u to trump and take him to court. Right now the right is winning in branding the left as the party of hate. Trump is about to fuck it up by taking the attention away from that and making this about censorship over pettiness.
 
ChileG said:
But you agree that what the people on Fox News have been saying, and what Trump has been saying, and what scores of other people from the right have been saying on a constant basis are far, far, far, more inflammatory than anything JK said, right (not to mention they are serious and he is a comedian).
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Far more inflammatory, No. Inflammatory? Yes. Inflammatory is inflammatory and subjective. I agree that Fox is msnbc and will lie, half lies, misconstrue, etc. when they think it benefits them. JK wasn't being comedic when he said what he said. He hasn't been comedic in years although his line about trump and the goldfish was pretty funny.

A big difference in all this is that fox is very profitable and has big ratings and kisses trump's ass. JK isn't profitable and has poor ratings and is often negative. Does that justify fcc threats? Not at all. ABC should have had the courage to can JK when he became a total political hack and pissed off half the country but they didn't have the stones to do it. Now trump has given them the opportunity they likely are glad to have and trump is the bad guy.
 
Callatoroy said:
Far more inflammatory, No. Inflammatory? Yes. Inflammatory is inflammatory and subjective. I agree that Fox is msnbc and will lie, half lies, misconstrue, etc. when they think it benefits them. JK wasn't being comedic when he said what he said. He hasn't been comedic in years although his line about trump and the goldfish was pretty funny.

A big difference in all this is that fox is very profitable and has big ratings and kisses trump's ass. JK isn't profitable and has poor ratings and is often negative. Does that justify fcc threats? Not at all. ABC should have had the courage to can JK when he became a total political hack and pissed off half the country but they didn't have the stones to do it. Now trump has given them the opportunity they likely are glad to have and trump is the bad guy.
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JK must have said more than what I have seen, then. And I admit that I haven’t kept up much with those particular details.
Could you post the absolute worst thing he said about Kirk? Thanks.
 
Callatoroy said:
Far more inflammatory, No. Inflammatory? Yes. Inflammatory is inflammatory and subjective. I agree that Fox is msnbc and will lie, half lies, misconstrue, etc. when they think it benefits them. JK wasn't being comedic when he said what he said. He hasn't been comedic in years although his line about trump and the goldfish was pretty funny.

A big difference in all this is that fox is very profitable and has big ratings and kisses trump's ass. JK isn't profitable and has poor ratings and is often negative. Does that justify fcc threats? Not at all. ABC should have had the courage to can JK when he became a total political hack and pissed off half the country but they didn't have the stones to do it. Now trump has given them the opportunity they likely are glad to have and trump is the bad guy.
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Ah yes, media companies always welcome threats of rescinding their licenses and/or blocking their mergers as ways for them to make personnel decisions. Trump is always such an accommodating force for good, isn't he?
 
dukeman92 said:
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Not remotely the same. DL was in a different time and had good ratings / profitability (just a guess) and was never as hateful or using "comedy" to disguise himself as a political talking head. Can't see DL ever making the comment JK did, especially after the evidence that was known about the shooter. JK chose to go down the path he did and is in a true FAFO moment. He is solely responsible for his ratings. Again, I'm not justifying trump using the threats, just that ABC felt JK wasn't worth fighting for. I bet NBC would have told trump to eat a dick if he had gone after DL.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Ah yes, media companies always welcome threats of rescinding their licenses and/or blocking their mergers as ways for them to make personnel decisions. Trump is always such an accommodating force for good, isn't he?
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In this case, not at all. But if JK had been a desirable asset for ABC they sure as hell would have fought trump in court. Clearly what trump is doing wouldn't stand up in court. ABC didn't feel it was worth it or needed to be on trump's side for something beneficial to them in the future. They can jettison a problem, play the victim (which they are, but a willing victim) and not be the bad guy. This is a win for ABC
 
Callatoroy said:
Not remotely the same. DL was in a different time and had good ratings / profitability (just a guess) and was never as hateful or using "comedy" to disguise himself as a political talking head. Can't see DL ever making the comment JK did, especially after the evidence that was known about the shooter. JK chose to go down the path he did and is in a true FAFO moment. He is solely responsible for his ratings. Again, I'm not justifying trump using the threats, just that ABC felt JK wasn't worth fighting for. I bet NBC would have told trump to eat a dick if he had gone after DL.
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Eat a dick
 
Callatoroy said:
Not remotely the same. DL was in a different time and had good ratings / profitability (just a guess) and was never as hateful or using "comedy" to disguise himself as a political talking head. Can't see DL ever making the comment JK did, especially after the evidence that was known about the shooter. JK chose to go down the path he did and is in a true FAFO moment. He is solely responsible for his ratings. Again, I'm not justifying trump using the threats, just that ABC felt JK wasn't worth fighting for. I bet NBC would have told trump to eat a dick if he had gone after DL.
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Jokes Watching Tv GIF by Gogglebox Australia
 
ChileG said:
JK must have said more than what I have seen, then. And I admit that I haven’t kept up much with those particular details.
Could you post the absolute worst thing he said about Kirk? Thanks.
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I'm sure you know exactly the comment he got canceled for.
 
ChileG said:
JK must have said more than what I have seen, then. And I admit that I haven’t kept up much with those particular details.
Could you post the absolute worst thing he said about Kirk? Thanks.
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Kimmel said the "Maga gang" was "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" and of trying to "score political points from it"

The HORROR!

The problem with the MAGA gang is that they are the real snowflakes here.
 
Bobfripp said:
Kimmel said the "Maga gang" was "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" and of trying to "score political points from it"

The HORROR!

The problem with the MAGA gang is that they are the real snowflakes here.
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Yeah, that’s the one I saw. Hmmm. Doesn’t seem to be in the same stratosphere as the language coming from the right (and I don’t mean random TikTok morons).
 
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