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The person being discussed was "fired from" his job for an unpopular post and you're celebrating it.
If by "celebrating" you mean I "agreed it was a good move", yes. I can understand why that club wouldn't want that kind of d-bag as the President.

I don't think all firings are unjustified, but I don't like companies responding to the very vocal minority and firing people out of fear of that mob.
 
I don't think all firings are unjustified, but I don't like companies responding to the very vocal minority and firing people out of fear of that mob.
So when a company responds to a vocal minority and fires an adult employee out of fear that's bad...but when a college debate society responds to a vocal minority and ousts their president out of fear that's good?
 
I don't think I've ever seen anyone associating cancel culture with government action. I do think there was a short-term pandemic of people being wrongly fired from jobs, in response to "Twitter mobs", that we have now largely moved past.
This is the least self-aware post I have ever seen from someone who spends a ton of time online.

First of all, people who claimed they had been fired because of "woke mobs" routinely claimed their free speech rights were being infringed and explicitly tied government action - including the whole "Twitter files" controversy and the government supposedly coercing Twitter to suppress speech, especially during the pandemic - to "cancel culture."

Second., we have literally watched - and are still watching! - Twitter mobs get people fired ever since Kirk was killed. The Vice President of the US said openly on a podcast that people should go on social media, scour it for posts about Kirk, and then join in online mobs to get those people fired. And your response is that you think the era of "Twitter mobs" is over? LOL.
 
So when a company responds to a vocal minority and fires an adult employee out of fear that's bad

Generally, yes.

...but when a college debate society responds to a vocal minority and ousts their president out of fear that's good?
There's no absolute right and wrong. Every company/entity makes its own decisions and people will agree with some and disagree with others but, yes, I'd prefer that a group, like the current example, internally evaluates the situation and makes a decision.
 
This is the least self-aware post I have ever seen from someone who spends a ton of time online.

First of all, people who claimed they had been fired because of "woke mobs" routinely claimed their free speech rights were being infringed and explicitly tied government action - including the whole "Twitter files" controversy and the government supposedly coercing Twitter to suppress speech, especially during the pandemic - to "cancel culture."
They were wrong.
Second., we have literally watched - and are still watching! - Twitter mobs get people fired ever since Kirk was killed. The Vice President of the US said openly on a podcast that people should go on social media, scour it for posts about Kirk, and then join in online mobs to get those people fired. And your response is that you think the era of "Twitter mobs" is over? LOL.
I was referring specifically to the far-left Twitter mobs at the time. The ones who were getting people fired for saying "All Lives Matter", for example or tried to pressure Trader Joe's to change the name of the line of Mexican food called "Trader Jose" because it was racist.

The government, as I've said previously, has absolutely no business encouraging people to report other people to their employer for speech.
 
He's an adult and in a position of leadership.
I never said differently dipshit. I responded to @Ramrouser because his beloved Adminstration has made a point of defending much older people in much larger leadership roles by labeling them as kids saying stupid things. You're so busy chasing your tail in circles that you cant get your own dick out of your mouth long enough to realize the point I was making versus the one you wanted to argue.

So let me make it clear...no I dont believe anyone who is 20 and says disgusting things should be in positions of authority. Im consistent on that sort of thing. It is @Ramrouser who believes people are just kids saying stupid things well into their late 20s and early 30s who are in much larger leadership roles.

If you want to debate, debate him. He is the one you have staked a disagreement with.
 
I'm actually NOT for speech suppression but after coming out of the left's CANCEL CULTURE the past five years or so and Biden/Twitter's suppression of conservative speech on X I'm not going to be lectured by the totalitarian left.
Can you explain why conservatives are so disingenuous about "cancel culture"? The Dixie Chicks' careers essentially ended because conservatives were angry that the lead singer said she was embarrassed that George W Bush was from the same state as she was. All because of conservatives flooded country music radio stations telling them not to play their music.

Colin Kaepernick was peacefully protesting injustice by kneeling during the national anthem. Conservatives lost their everlasting minds and he was essentially blackballed from the NFL after that.

It's amusing to read and hear conservatives getting self-righteous about "cancel culture" while conveniently ignoring the dozens of times conservative media has told them who to get angry at. Hell, you even have your own slogan. Go woke, go broke, amiright?
 
I never said differently dipshit. I responded to @Ramrouser because his beloved Adminstration has made a point of defending much older people in much larger leadership roles by labeling them as kids saying stupid things. You're so busy chasing your tail in circles that you cant get your own dick out of your mouth long enough to realize the point I was making versus the one you wanted to argue.

So let me make it clear...no I dont believe anyone who is 20 and says disgusting things should be in positions of authority. Im consistent on that sort of thing. It is @Ramrouser who believes people are just kids saying stupid things well into their late 20s and early 30s who are in much larger leadership roles.

If you want to debate, debate him. He is the one you have staked a disagreement with.
You seem angry.
 
I was referring specifically to the far-left Twitter mobs at the time. The ones who were getting people fired for saying "All Lives Matter", for example or tried to pressure Trader Joe's to change the name of the line of Mexican food called "Trader Jose" because it was racist.

The government, as I've said previously, has absolutely no business encouraging people to report other people to their employer for speech.
So when you said we've moved past the era of "Twitter mobs" you mean only "left-wing Twitter mobs" (but didn't say that) and you don't care that we are now in an age of right-wing Twitter mobs?
 
There's no absolute right and wrong. Every company/entity makes its own decisions and people will agree with some and disagree with others but, yes, I'd prefer that a group, like the current example, internally evaluates the situation and makes a decision.
You're trying to draw some arbitrary line between "bowing to pressure from an online mob" (bad) and "internally evaluate the situation and make a decision" (good) but the two things you're talking about don't happen independently of each other. The pressure from the "online mob" is part of the internal decision making, and you can't isolate those things from each other and try to group every firing into one of those two buckets. You are just sort of arbitrarily deciding that this decision must have had more to do with "interna; deliberation" than "outside pressure" with absolutely zero awareness of what happened inside the group.
 
Can you explain why conservatives are so disingenuous about "cancel culture"? The Dixie Chicks' careers essentially ended because conservatives were angry that the lead singer said she was embarrassed that George W Bush was from the same state as she was. All because of conservatives flooded country music radio stations telling them not to play their music.

Colin Kaepernick was peacefully protesting injustice by kneeling during the national anthem. Conservatives lost their everlasting minds and he was essentially blackballed from the NFL after that.

It's amusing to read and hear conservatives getting self-righteous about "cancel culture" while conveniently ignoring the dozens of times conservative media has told them who to get angry at. Hell, you even have your own slogan. Go woke, go broke, amiright?
Good point on the Dixie Chicks. I hated the way they were cancelled by their audience just because they were expressing their opinions about the Bush and the war. I wish that wouldn't of happened and my side would have been more tolerant and understanding. I'm a big fan of the group, btw. That's just one example. The left took cancel culture to a whole new level.

Kaepernick is different since he's an employee who simply refused to abide by his employer's rules while at his job.
 
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Born and raised in West Tennessee, Bushart worked as a police officer and sheriff’s deputy for 24 years, then spent another nine with the Tennessee Department of Correction before retiring from law enforcement last year. His politics made him an outlier among his neighbors. Like many people, he reserved his most strident opinions for the internet. On Facebook, Bushart slammed President Donald Trump and his followers, whom he likened to a cult. He quarreled with vaccine skeptics and fought with election deniers. As things took a darker turn during Trump’s second term, Bushart posted memes decrying the president’s increasingly authoritarian moves. After Kirk’s killing on September 10, Bushart posted furiously, repeatedly, about why the right-wing activist did not deserve to be lionized — and warning about the escalating assault on free speech.

His posts were not limited to his own feed. That Saturday morning, in a Facebook group called “What’s Happening in Perry County,” Bushart spotted a thread about an upcoming candlelight vigil honoring Kirk in the county seat of Linden, a small town some 45 minutes away. He fired off a rapid series of trollish memes. One showed a scene from “The Sopranos.” “Tony, Charlie Kirk died,” Carmela Soprano says. “Who gives a shit,” Tony replies. Another quoted Kash Patel’s press conference after Kirk’s murder, where he said, “I’ll see you at Valhalla,” depicting the FBI director in a Viking costume and holding a rubber chicken. The most vulgar meme appeared to capture the moment Kirk was shot, accompanied by the words, “Release the Epstein Files.”

But it was a more innocuous post that would soon send Bushart’s life spiraling out of control. It was an image he had previously posted to his own feed to little response: a photo of Trump alongside a quote, “We have to get over it.”

The meme, which had been circulating for more than a year, drew from remarks Trump madeafter a January 2024 school shooting in Perry, Iowa. Beneath the quote was a line providing context: “Donald Trump, on the Perry High School mass shooting, one day after.” Above the image were the words “Seems relevant today.”…”
 
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Born and raised in West Tennessee, Bushart worked as a police officer and sheriff’s deputy for 24 years, then spent another nine with the Tennessee Department of Correction before retiring from law enforcement last year. His politics made him an outlier among his neighbors. Like many people, he reserved his most strident opinions for the internet. On Facebook, Bushart slammed President Donald Trump and his followers, whom he likened to a cult. He quarreled with vaccine skeptics and fought with election deniers. As things took a darker turn during Trump’s second term, Bushart posted memes decrying the president’s increasingly authoritarian moves. After Kirk’s killing on September 10, Bushart posted furiously, repeatedly, about why the right-wing activist did not deserve to be lionized — and warning about the escalating assault on free speech.

His posts were not limited to his own feed. That Saturday morning, in a Facebook group called “What’s Happening in Perry County,” Bushart spotted a thread about an upcoming candlelight vigil honoring Kirk in the county seat of Linden, a small town some 45 minutes away. He fired off a rapid series of trollish memes. One showed a scene from “The Sopranos.” “Tony, Charlie Kirk died,” Carmela Soprano says. “Who gives a shit,” Tony replies. Another quoted Kash Patel’s press conference after Kirk’s murder, where he said, “I’ll see you at Valhalla,” depicting the FBI director in a Viking costume and holding a rubber chicken. The most vulgar meme appeared to capture the moment Kirk was shot, accompanied by the words, “Release the Epstein Files.”

But it was a more innocuous post that would soon send Bushart’s life spiraling out of control. It was an image he had previously posted to his own feed to little response: a photo of Trump alongside a quote, “We have to get over it.”

The meme, which had been circulating for more than a year, drew from remarks Trump madeafter a January 2024 school shooting in Perry, Iowa. Beneath the quote was a line providing context: “Donald Trump, on the Perry High School mass shooting, one day after.” Above the image were the words “Seems relevant today.”…”
“… Arriving at the local jail [on September 22], the officer with the warrant unfolded the piece of paper. “Just to clarify, this is what they charged you with,” he told Bushart, pointing and reading aloud: “Threatening Mass Violence at a School.”

“At a school?” Bushart said, sounding confused.

But the officer had no further explanation. “I ain’t got a clue,” he said, chuckling. “I just gotta do what I have to do.”

Bushart laughed too. “I’ve been in Facebook jail but now I’m really in it,” he said. He hadn’t committed a crime, he said. “I may have been an asshole but…”

“That’s not illegal,” the officer said.

… BUSHART WAS BOOKED at the Perry County Jail in Linden on September 22, just before 2 a.m. He has been there ever since. His bail was set at $2 million — a shocking amount, wildly beyond his financial capacity. Under Tennessee law, Bushart would have to pay at least $210,000to get out of jail, under onerous conditions. Although his defense attorney has filed a motion asking General Sessions Judge Katerina Moore to reduce his bail on the grounds that he is not a flight risk and does not pose a threat to the community, a hearing on the motion was reset at prosecutors’ request.

Bushart’s next court date is not scheduled to take place until December 4….”
 
“… Arriving at the local jail [on September 22], the officer with the warrant unfolded the piece of paper. “Just to clarify, this is what they charged you with,” he told Bushart, pointing and reading aloud: “Threatening Mass Violence at a School.”

“At a school?” Bushart said, sounding confused.

But the officer had no further explanation. “I ain’t got a clue,” he said, chuckling. “I just gotta do what I have to do.”

Bushart laughed too. “I’ve been in Facebook jail but now I’m really in it,” he said. He hadn’t committed a crime, he said. “I may have been an asshole but…”

“That’s not illegal,” the officer said.

… BUSHART WAS BOOKED at the Perry County Jail in Linden on September 22, just before 2 a.m. He has been there ever since. His bail was set at $2 million — a shocking amount, wildly beyond his financial capacity. Under Tennessee law, Bushart would have to pay at least $210,000to get out of jail, under onerous conditions. Although his defense attorney has filed a motion asking General Sessions Judge Katerina Moore to reduce his bail on the grounds that he is not a flight risk and does not pose a threat to the community, a hearing on the motion was reset at prosecutors’ request.

Bushart’s next court date is not scheduled to take place until December 4….”
“… In Tennessee, a wave of firings and suspensions took place across the state, with numerous public employees and college and university staffers punished for their posts. A high school science teacher was suspended after being targeted by the right-wing website The Federalist for an Instagram story calling Kirk a “POS” and quoting his reaction to the 2023 Covenant School shooting in Nashville, which left seven dead, including three 9-year-old students. “It’s worth to have, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights,” Kirk had said. And, under pressure from Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn, who is running for Tennessee governor, a university fired a theater professorfor posting an old article about Kirk’s comments, issuing a statement explaining that the professor had “reshared a post on social media that was insensitive, disrespectful and interpreted by many as propagating justification for unlawful death.”

But Bushart’s case is in a class of its own. He is almost certainly the only person who was arrested and held on a serious criminal charge for a Facebook post in the wake of Kirk’s death — a charge that seems clearly divorced from reality.

… In Bushart’s case, the warrant affidavit contains a short narrative summarizing the ostensible evidence against him. “At approximately 1900 hours,” writes Perry County Sheriff’s Investigator Jason Morrow, “I … received a message from Sheriff Nick Weems regarding a Facebook post Larry Bushart made on the What’s Happening in Perry County, TN Facebook page stating ‘This seems relevant today…’ with an image of Donald Trump and the words ‘We have to get over it.’”

Morrow quotes the rest of the meme and notes that it was posted “on a message thread regarding the Charlie Kirk vigil.” He then writes: “This was a means of communication, via picture, posted to a Perry County, TN Facebook page in which a reasonable person would conclude could lead to serious bodily injury, or death of multiple people.”…”

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