The Charlie Kirk Thread

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I woke up this morning (I'm currently overseas - so this happened while I was asleep) - opened twitter and at the top of my "for you" was a close up cut video of Kirk getting shot through the neck. That's how I started my day at 5 am. Then I read about - ANOTHER - school shooting. I feel like the SpongeBob meme about sitting this one out.
 
I have so little interest in this back and forth. I don't even care about Kirk's politics at this point. What happened is fucking terrible full stop. Whether he was killed by someone on the Left or the Right or because Kirk was a celebrity of some renown and he was killed by a stalker is kind of irrelevant. I feel like we on the Left could sit the "who is worse" fight out this time. There really are no political points to score here.
I would sit it out if they weren’t literally calling for me and people I love to be labeled as terrorists and killed due only to our political affiliation. At that point I can’t sit it out.
 
We can discuss the current political climate, which at best is dangerous and unhealthy. And there are people from both sides contributing to that. But we all know this is traced back to one man. Trump. We saw this shit during his first administration. We were fortunate enough then that there were guardrails in place that kept t somewhat contained. There are no guardrails in place this time... and the things this administration is doing will continue to incite this type of violence. It's only going to get worse.
 
I have so little interest in this back and forth. I don't even care about Kirk's politics at this point. What happened is fucking terrible full stop. Whether he was killed by someone on the Left or the Right or because Kirk was a celebrity of some renown and he was killed by a stalker is kind of irrelevant. I feel like we on the Left could sit the "who is worse" fight out this time. There really are no political points to score here.
Nobody here on “the left” is trying to score political points. We’re pointing out that two of the posters who came in hot like a bat shot out of hell yesterday running their mouth about Civil War and how liberals are murderers who are happily celebrating the murder of a conservative pundit, are enormous hypocrites. We should never not point out blatant hypocrisy such as that.
 
Never Trumpers are the WORST human beings. Hope Conway’s next or Nicole Wallace.
Why, you yourself have admitted that trump isn't a good person, but he is on your "team" so you overlook all of his shortcomings.

He does absolutely nothing to exemplify a Christian, but the Christians still support him and claim he was sent from God.

Just for the record, I don't want to see anyone murdered.
 
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We should never not point out blatant hypocrisy such as that.
And why? This "we'll show them" attitude is a contributing factor to where we are now. If you don't "point out" their hypocrisy does that make them any less hypocritical? Is this the only example of their hypocrisy? Is this the only time where you can point out they are hypocritical shits? Is all lost if you don't point this out today on this particular issue? Are the knuckle dragging conservatives going door with a shotgun looking for registered democrats and the only way to stop this is by shaming them on the internet? It seems pretty self evident to anyone outside the MAGA bubble that these people are hate filled warmongers who contribute more to violent rhetoric than any major movement in this country's history. Shaming them now won't fix this problem. We can turn away - allow the legal process to play out - figure out this person's motives and then address the societal issues from there. That seems a lot healthier than whatever the fuck is happening on the internet.
 
It's not terribly hard if you've got some experience with shooting at decent distances in a variety of situations...I would be surprised if a novice could do it very well. Especially once you add in the nerves of knowing that you're about to shoot a person and all hell will break loose once you pull the trigger.
The fact that the shooter hit Kirk in the neck indicates to me they are a relative novice. An experienced shooter would have hit him in the head or chest. I could see a novice aiming for center mass and hitting him in the neck instead.
 
And why? This "we'll show them" attitude is a contributing factor to where we are now. If you don't "point out" their hypocrisy does that make them any less hypocritical? Is this the only example of their hypocrisy? Is this the only time where you can point out they are hypocritical shits? Is all lost if you don't point this out today on this particular issue? Are the knuckle dragging conservatives going door with a shotgun looking for registered democrats and the only way to stop this is by shaming them on the internet? It seems pretty self evident to anyone outside the MAGA bubble that these people are hate filled warmongers who contribute more to violent rhetoric than any major movement in this country's history. Shaming them now won't fix this problem. We can turn away - allow the legal process to play out - figure out this person's motives and then address the societal issues from there. That seems a lot healthier than whatever the fuck is happening on the internet.
I think you’re overthinking it, man. It’s not about “we’ll show them” or at least it is not to me. It’s simply about pointing out that at least two of the most outspoken conservative posters on this thread are doing the literal exact thing to ratchet up the temperature that they supposedly decry. I have absolutely, positively zero delusions that either of the two people to whom I’m referring care about their hypocrisy, and I’m certain they care even less about their hypocrisy being pointed out. That doesn’t make it any less worthy of doing on a message board. Do I think it’s actually going to accomplish anything? Of course not. Does anything on this board ever accomplish anything? Of course not. It doesn’t mean that you can’t call it out
 
Im a never Trumper. Not sure why that makes me a horrible human being in your point of view, but oh well..
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
 
The fact that the shooter hit Kirk in the neck indicates to me they are a relative novice. An experienced shooter would have hit him in the head or chest. I could see a novice aiming for center mass and hitting him in the neck instead.
Later videos suggest Kirk was hit in the chest but the bullet ricocheted off his bulletproof vest and hit his neck. Which still seems to suggest a relative novice — seems like a professional sniper would have recognized the contours (and likelihood) of a bulletproof vest.
 
I started a separate thread with this question and no one was interested, so I thought I'd drop it here (I didn't take the hint)

Given the recent statement from Mark Kelly regarding both sides tamping down heated rhetoric, I was curious who on the left (with a significant audience) would be similar to Stephen Miller, Charlie Kirk, President Trump, Jessie Waters, etc.

Is calling some actions and members of the current administration fascists the same as as talking about Dems as enemies of the state?

What are examples of boths sides inflammatory rhetoric (again from someone with an actual audience, not some rando on TikTok).
 
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
Let’s assume that is true. How does that make them any different than, say, your preferred source of information, LibsofTikTok, which takes advantage of and profits on conservatives’ Liberal/Transgender Derangement Syndrome?

I’m not trying to be a smart alec. I’m trying to get you to understand you are every bit as guilty of doing exactly what the people whom you are accusing are doing. Why is it OK for you but not for them?
 
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
 
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
And you see this method of making money as one sided? Unique to Liberals?

Just remember conservatives own talk radio.
 
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
Haven't read everything, so maybe I missed this.

Why is it relevant if he was a "Novice". From my experience shooting from distance with any level of accuracy, isn't something a "novice" would be capable of, but more importantly, who cares? A man is dead, does the skill level of the shooter really matter?
 
yeah. I feel like I am way less concerned about the skill and expertise level of the shooter than I am about what ideology causes someone to be so depraved, and what complete void of humanity, enables someone to plot, plan, and execute the opportunity to squeeze a trigger that takes another human life in an instant.

It’s very obvious, whether or not this shooter is formally trained military, that he has extreme proficiency with firearms, as well as the means to outfit whatever his high-powered rifle of choice is with the technology necessary to pull off a single shot execution from two football fields away.
 
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