The Charlie Kirk Thread

The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
The right have been begging for an excuse to hurt whomever they want to hurt, and would have found it regardless.

If you need proof, look no further than the fact that we still have absolutely no idea who did this, or why. Does that stop them from threatening you? Did you kill Kirk?
 
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It's not an easy task.

I wasn't capable and had to finally put Zen on ignore and he's not that unbearable.

When I read some of the illogical bullshit on the internet, for some reason I'm drawn to try and correct it, but I have to realize that no one is changing those people. The right has been on this path since Reagan, it's not going to turn quickly.
Yeah, I think that’s my problem. I feel like I’m trying to correct. I don’t know if it’s because I am a former hard-core conservative and have self corrected and feel like others should do the exact same, or what, but it’s certainly a weakness of mine. It’s not even that I think that I am morally or ethically superior or anything like that – I absolutely do not think that – it’s more so that in some weird twisted way I feel like I can force people to be introspective, which is obviously naïve at best and maybe even arrogant at worst.
 
Trump literally called him a martyr during his remarks yesterday…

Trump calls conservative activist Charlie Kirk a ‘martyr for truth and freedom’​



“President Trump on Wednesday night … called Kirk a “martyr for truth and freedom.” …”
 
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
I would not worry too much. I’m sure Mars Candy Company will put a skirt and some pronouns on the red M&M at some point soon and they’ll be lathered up and fully torqued and onto the next outrage.
 
Yeah obviously you have to have training with a firearm to accurately shoot someone at range. I just mean in the “lone wolf vs vast conspiracy” dynamic, it is not as hard as people like to make it seem for a “lone wolf” with some firearms training to do this.

In some cases, a little firearms training with a decent amount of practice may be all you need.

I don't shoot guns often, but I was naturally more effective with a rifle at a long distance than I was a handgun at a short distance. Had I put in the efforts, I could probably be a pretty decent shot with a rifle, even at even long distances.
 
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In some of my most misanthropic black and white moments I tend to think there are only three groups of people in the world: good people, bad people, and bad people trying to be good (i.e. normal humans.) I firmly see myself in the final category. There are far fewer people in the first category. but they exist - the type that struggle to eat yet will spend their entire weekend working at homeless shelters etc.

The real problem is the second category and there are few too many people in that one. This includes serial trolls. Sure they swim in a pool full of people of much greater crimes and really can't compared, but it doesn't change the fact that they share the same lack of desire to improve as human beings that the truly awful people in that group also do not possess.

At this point a troll participating in this relatively closed community that offers no platform for a wider message and few to no converts to your way of thinking, then you are here to disrupt and provoke a response. I.e. you are here to destroy - not a sign of a good person.

Again, that's taking the world view to an extremely base level, which is a low resolution vista I don't recommend.
 
Watching Charlie Kirk die yesterday made me physically ill. The image of him slumping to his death is something I'll never forget. He did not deserve that.

The reaction to his death has been just as bad. Kirk was not a good person. He contributed mightily to the political climate of this country, which is reaching dangerous levels.

Our flags should not be lowered for Charlie Kirk. But they shouldn't have been raised after the death of Jimmy Carter either. So color me not shocked.
 
Such good points you make here. My thoughts went in a broader direction. Because of the intensity and familiarity of the coverage of today’s gun violence incident no.1, we recoil and easily see the evil at play. Meanwhile the more expansive violence in Gaza - children dying of starvation- and Ukraine - a population subject to the persistent threat of bombs - has become a thing in the hazy distance, not needing our attention.

Man’s inhumanity toward man is the eternal enemy. Why can’t we face it?
In 1984, William Shawcross wrote a book, The Quality of Mercy. The book mostly dealt with the genocide and famine in Cambodia as and after Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge took power.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS died….. out of a population of 7.3 million, 1-2 million died between 1975 and 1978.

By-and-large, “the West” didn’t care.

I’m thinking back to the book’s Foreword.

Shawcross wrote, in the foreword, about the world’s reaction to a toddler trapped in a well. The toddler fell into the well and was trapped.

At the same time a MASSIVE earthquake hit somewhere in the Middle East (Turkey, IIRC). Thousands and thousands died.

In the Foreward, Shawcross wrote about the world’s reaction to the toddler in the well compared to the thousands dead because of the earthquake.

The toddler was international news for days. TV crews camped out at the site; filming constantly. The earthquake was out of the news in a day.

Shawcross’s point was that humans can process a death or a tragedy. We can’t process or fathom thousands and thousands of deaths (the earthquake). Forget about the hundreds of thousands or millions dead in Cambodia between 1975-1978.

Two murders of young people caught on video?

That’s going to resonate FOR A LONG TIME.

It is.

These two murders will hammer home to some Americans that the US is a violent hellscape. Forget the stats showing violent crime declining.
 
Let’s have a healthy dialogue today, friends.
not gonna happen both sides are the same
The fact that the shooter hit Kirk in the neck indicates to me they are a relative novice. An experienced shooter would have hit him in the head or chest. I could see a novice aiming for center mass and hitting him in the neck instead.
a trained shooter is trained to pinpoint the best kill spot all things considered. if i had to guess id say the brain area was hidden from his line of sight so he chose the neck area which is just as effeective as we saw.
 
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
It's not scary. It's the logical progression of what has been occurring in this country since 2009, when we had the audacity to elect a black man twice. Everything the Republican party has done since then has been leading to moments like this, January 6th, the kidnapping at Nancy Pelosi's house, etc. Political rhetoric has become toxic in this country because one side absolutely could not deal with the fact that they lost two elections to a black man. It made them lose their minds, and it led to the election of Donald Trump, who has served as a flamethrower for the right, publicly saying all the things they've wanted to say for years. It was only a matter of time before we started seeing violence erupt from this incendiary talk, on both sides of the aisle.

Make no mistake about it, Charlie Kirk is dead because when you preach hate, that hate sometimes gets turned around against you. Somewhere out there I assume is a mentally ill , most likely left-wing idealogue who believed they were doing the world a favor by removing Charlie. Unfortunately, they didn't. All they did was create a vacuum that will be filled by an angrier, crazier version of Charlie Kirk, and most likely this person has also inspired right-wing lunatics (of which the pool is a lot deeper) to respond in kind.

It's going to be ugly for quite some time, but make no mistake who started this uptick in the "They are evil, we are righteous" talk. If anyone gets in your face about it claiming our side is responsible, then just show them a clip of Donald Trump's speech yesterday and tell them, "Here's your culprit, asshole."
 
not gonna happen both sides are the same

a trained shooter is trained to pinpoint the best kill spot all things considered. if i had to guess id say the brain area was hidden from his line of sight so he chose the neck area which is just as effeective as we saw.
you have tons of evidence on this thread that both sides are literally not the same. Why do you insist?
 
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