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UNCBAdookJD
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It’s possible. He also just may have been someone with access such as a student or university employee. Could also just be really lax security with a very public event going on. When I was at UNC I attended a similar event with Anne Coulter, and nothing would have prevented this from happening there had someone been motivated to do so.
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There were 6 police present and Kirk's private security. I doubt kirk or the local police or any of these people have the resources to secure all the buildings they would need to. Looking on Google maps there are at least 6 rooftops that would have to be patrolled to prevent this. You can either spend a small fortune every time some speaking event like this takes place, or you move inside, or you take the risk that comes with the things you say.
At this point if you want to be a hate monger, I suggest don't do it outdoors, because I doubt there will be gun control measures in place to help you out.
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For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.
I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.
Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.
Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
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Yikes.
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Yeah I said that is probably it.
I specifically was listing things that i felt fall outside of the core liberal vs conservative reasons because maga is labeling this as the "radical left".
It's not like i was listing ALL potential reasons - heck it could be a domestic issue involving some jealous person in his personal orbit - we have NO idea.
But is it really that big of a problem to counter the argument that this had to be a "radical lefty" by listing bosides reasons that were hot-button divisive topics Kirk pushed?
Yeah the women, especially young women, coming out of the woodwork is surprising to me. Kirk was very much anti women’s rights and spoke openly about it all the time. Recently he said if his daughter was raped that she would still have to have the baby and also said that Taylor swift should submit to her new husband.
Kirk stands for white men and white men only so to see so many young women coming out as supporters is bizarre to me
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He certainly died doing what he loved. I say that without any snark or sarcasm intended. I hate it the absolute most for his young children, but unfortunately inflammatory rhetoric does have consequences. Of course, that certainly does not mean that he deserved to die for his inflammatory rhetoric. Nobody deserves to die. But his inflammatory rhetoric clearly made him a target, and unfortunately he ran afoul of someone depraved enough, resourced enough, and skilled enough to pull off such a heinous execution.
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I have seen it said he was wearing a vest..Since when has a vest been able to stop a high powered rifle…That bullet is going thru that vest unless he had a steel plate…
Shouldn’t the fact that he feels the need to wear vests in public tell him that his standpoint on guns is wrong?
I doubt these campus cops are the investigative Olympic team.
I doubt this campus has great CCTV resources.
Wasn't Luigi's problem due to grievances about insurance business? Doesn't seem left v right.
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Sometimes, it is best to look elsewhere for a view on ourselves.
www.bbc.com
Moments before the crack of a gunshot changed everything, thousands of students had gathered under clear blue skies at an idyllic Utah college to hear from a man considered a rock star in conservative campus politics.
As the 31-year-old Charlie Kirk sat under a tent, debating political opponents taking their turn at a microphone, many gathered on the lawns cheered – and some protested. Seconds later, they were all running in terror.
The activist was struck in the neck by a bullet, mortally wounded. The episode playing out as cameras rolled, some showing the murder in bloody detail.
The images will be hard to forget - particularly for the many young conservatives for whom Kirk held celebrity status. The leader of their movement, regardless of the ultimate motive behind his killing, will now be viewed as a martyr for the cause.
Kirk, in the past, had warned of what he said was the threat of violence from his critics – of which he had many, given his provocative style of conservativism. Nonetheless he was willing to travel to college campuses, where the politics frequently tilt to the left, and debate all comers.
He was an advocate of gun rights and conservative values, an outspoken critic of transgender rights, and a staunch, unapologetic Donald Trump supporter. His Turning Point US organisation played a key role in the voter turnout drive that saw the president return to the White House this year.
The tent where he was shot had "prove me wrong" emblazoned on it. He was a hero to young conservative students in particular, meeting them where they were and offering them a movement of their own.
Kirk's killing is both another episode of shocking gun violence in America – and the latest in an ever-lengthening line of recent political violence.
Earlier this year two Democratic state legislators in Minnesota were shot in their homes – with one dying from her wounds. Last year, Donald Trump was twice the target of assassination attempts. His brush with a bullet at an outdoor rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, bears striking similarities to Wednesday's shooting in Utah – both playing out before gathered crowds at outdoor venues.
Two years before that, a hammer-wielding assailant broke in to the home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a prominent Democrat. In 2017, a man opened fire on Republican congressmen practising on a northern Virginia baseball field.
It is difficult to divine where American politics goes from here, but the trajectory is bleak.
Violence begets violence. Increasingly divisive rhetoric, fuelled by social media echo chambers and easy access to firearms, leads to raw nerves and a heightened potential for bloodshed.
Conservative activists are reconsidering what security measures are necessary for public appearances, just as many local politicians did after the Minnesota shootings. But the Butler attempt on Trump's life was nearly successful, despite trained local and federal security forces on the scene.
If there is a sense that no-one is safe – that public life itself has become a blood sport – that will have its own corrosive effect on American politics.
Trump, in a video address from the Oval Office posted on his Truth Social website on Wednesday night, called the killing a "dark moment for America".
But he wasted little time in blaming the "radical left" for Kirk's murder. He ticked through some of the recent instances of political violence - those that targeted conservatives - and said his administration would find "each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence".
Those comments are sure to be welcomed by those on the right who in the hours after the shooting called for a crackdown on left-wing groups.
"It is time, within the confines of the law, to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest and incarcerate all of those who are responsible for this chaos," conservative activist Christopher Rufo wrote on X.
Many prominent Republicans and Democrats, including potential 2028 presidential contenders, lined up to condemn political violence and call for a cooling of rhetoric.
But in Congress on Wednesday evening, a moment of silence for Kirk was quickly followed by a shouting match between lawmakers - a further indication that partisan tensions are still high.
Meanwhile, in Utah, witnesses, law enforcement and state and local leaders continue to come to grips with the trauma of the day.
In emotional remarks during a press conference, Governor Spencer Cox – who has frequently spoken out against overheated political rhetoric and political divisiveness – described a nation, soon to celebrate a milestone anniversary of its founding, that is "broken".
"Is this it?" he asked. "Is this what 250 years has wrought upon us?"
"I pray that is not the case," he answered.
The doubt in his voice underscored the simple truth that, on this day, the future of America and whether its violent politics can be fixed seems far from certain.
Charlie Kirk killing lays bare America's bloody and broken politics
Charlie Kirk's killing is another episode of gun violence in America and the latest in a line of recent political violence.
www.bbc.com
Moments before the crack of a gunshot changed everything, thousands of students had gathered under clear blue skies at an idyllic Utah college to hear from a man considered a rock star in conservative campus politics.
As the 31-year-old Charlie Kirk sat under a tent, debating political opponents taking their turn at a microphone, many gathered on the lawns cheered – and some protested. Seconds later, they were all running in terror.
The activist was struck in the neck by a bullet, mortally wounded. The episode playing out as cameras rolled, some showing the murder in bloody detail.
The images will be hard to forget - particularly for the many young conservatives for whom Kirk held celebrity status. The leader of their movement, regardless of the ultimate motive behind his killing, will now be viewed as a martyr for the cause.
Kirk, in the past, had warned of what he said was the threat of violence from his critics – of which he had many, given his provocative style of conservativism. Nonetheless he was willing to travel to college campuses, where the politics frequently tilt to the left, and debate all comers.
He was an advocate of gun rights and conservative values, an outspoken critic of transgender rights, and a staunch, unapologetic Donald Trump supporter. His Turning Point US organisation played a key role in the voter turnout drive that saw the president return to the White House this year.
The tent where he was shot had "prove me wrong" emblazoned on it. He was a hero to young conservative students in particular, meeting them where they were and offering them a movement of their own.
Kirk's killing is both another episode of shocking gun violence in America – and the latest in an ever-lengthening line of recent political violence.
Earlier this year two Democratic state legislators in Minnesota were shot in their homes – with one dying from her wounds. Last year, Donald Trump was twice the target of assassination attempts. His brush with a bullet at an outdoor rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, bears striking similarities to Wednesday's shooting in Utah – both playing out before gathered crowds at outdoor venues.
Two years before that, a hammer-wielding assailant broke in to the home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a prominent Democrat. In 2017, a man opened fire on Republican congressmen practising on a northern Virginia baseball field.
It is difficult to divine where American politics goes from here, but the trajectory is bleak.
Violence begets violence. Increasingly divisive rhetoric, fuelled by social media echo chambers and easy access to firearms, leads to raw nerves and a heightened potential for bloodshed.
Conservative activists are reconsidering what security measures are necessary for public appearances, just as many local politicians did after the Minnesota shootings. But the Butler attempt on Trump's life was nearly successful, despite trained local and federal security forces on the scene.
If there is a sense that no-one is safe – that public life itself has become a blood sport – that will have its own corrosive effect on American politics.
Trump, in a video address from the Oval Office posted on his Truth Social website on Wednesday night, called the killing a "dark moment for America".
But he wasted little time in blaming the "radical left" for Kirk's murder. He ticked through some of the recent instances of political violence - those that targeted conservatives - and said his administration would find "each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence".
Those comments are sure to be welcomed by those on the right who in the hours after the shooting called for a crackdown on left-wing groups.
"It is time, within the confines of the law, to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest and incarcerate all of those who are responsible for this chaos," conservative activist Christopher Rufo wrote on X.
Many prominent Republicans and Democrats, including potential 2028 presidential contenders, lined up to condemn political violence and call for a cooling of rhetoric.
But in Congress on Wednesday evening, a moment of silence for Kirk was quickly followed by a shouting match between lawmakers - a further indication that partisan tensions are still high.
Meanwhile, in Utah, witnesses, law enforcement and state and local leaders continue to come to grips with the trauma of the day.
In emotional remarks during a press conference, Governor Spencer Cox – who has frequently spoken out against overheated political rhetoric and political divisiveness – described a nation, soon to celebrate a milestone anniversary of its founding, that is "broken".
"Is this it?" he asked. "Is this what 250 years has wrought upon us?"
"I pray that is not the case," he answered.
The doubt in his voice underscored the simple truth that, on this day, the future of America and whether its violent politics can be fixed seems far from certain.
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This is so absurdly outlandish of a belief to hold that I sincerely hope you are doing it just to get a rise out of people. Because there is zero chance a healthy, normally functioning adult human being possesses the ability to think, much less articulate, something so insane.
Comparing the single murder of a podcaster to the murder of 3000+ Americans in a single day at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists, might be the single most batshit crazy thing I’ve ever read on any medium in my entire life.
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Sure, that’s why a hunter is on the list of possibilities. But what this was not is someone who bought a rifle a week ago along with a new purchaser special at a gun range to learn how it works just for the purpose of doing this. It’s someone who has used a weapon before, whether that be in the context of formal training through work, or someone who got it growing up hunting.
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This seems like a poorly considered way to frame this point:
www.thedailybeast.com
I’m not arguing whether law enforcement should have confidence but framing it as “well publicize the video only if we fail” seems like the wrong way to frame the next steps.
What if the guy is wearing a hyper realistic mask like the Minnesota assassin, for instance? I mean if they have a clear video maybe they’ve already eliminated that possibility. But it seems dumb to emphasize that if they release the video to the public prior to announcing identification and/or an arrest it is because they failed internally.
Authorities Won’t Release Video of Charlie Kirk Shooting Suspect
Investigators said they have obtained “good” images of the suspected killer.
I’m not arguing whether law enforcement should have confidence but framing it as “well publicize the video only if we fail” seems like the wrong way to frame the next steps.
What if the guy is wearing a hyper realistic mask like the Minnesota assassin, for instance? I mean if they have a clear video maybe they’ve already eliminated that possibility. But it seems dumb to emphasize that if they release the video to the public prior to announcing identification and/or an arrest it is because they failed internally.