The Charlie Kirk Thread

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ChapelHillSooner said:
Because carrying around a firearm right after someone had been murdered wouldn't be a wise thing to do if you wanted to get away.
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But then why take it with you from the roof? The odds that they wouldn’t find it in the woods is incredibly low. Why take the risk of jumping off the roof with the gun only to leave it in the woods? If that were the plan, just leave the gun on the roof.
 
nycfan said:
Matt Dowd is not a liberal

“… With Bush as president, Dowd was put on the Republican National Committee payroll and became an intimate participant in White House strategy sessions. Bush and the Republicans now exploited divisive wedge issues and tactics with a vengeance. After Sept. 11, 2001, fear was bundled with loathing, the terrorist threat from abroad conflated with the gay menace within. By 2004, relying on Dowd’s numbers, Republicans made gay marriage the most salient social issue, exceeding abortion and gun control in its inflammatory potential to mobilize conservatives. Dowd prescribed the strategy for targeting of Republican base voters’ “anger points,” as GOP consultants called them, for maximum turnout.

… In the political rinse cycle, Dowd transformed the disinformation justifying the Iraq war into platitudinous Republican talking points. In the interviews he granted, Dowd repeated them effortlessly. “Events in Iraq,” he told National Public Radio during the Republican Convention in September 2004, “and removing Saddam Hussein is all part of the war on terror. You can’t separate out removing a brutal dictator from a place that harbored terrorists from the war on terror.” One plus one equals three; the clock struck 13.

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He was, he said, just creating a new Republican “brand.” After Rove executed Dowd’s carefully calculated targeting to produce Bush’s narrow victory in 2004, Dowd was triumphant. “Issues don’t matter in presidential campaigns,” he exulted in 2005, “it’s your brand values that matter.” For Dowd, facts didn’t matter either, only “brand” identity.

Contaminating his rival’s brand was as vital as enhancing his own. Dowd had been central in formulating the 2002 midterm campaign that zeroed in on the Democrats’ patriotism. In 2004, he and Rove crafted the negative attack on Kerry as a “flip-flopper.” Asked about the TV ads ripping Kerry, Dowd said on Sept. 22, 2004, on CNN, “I think it’s totally tasteful. And the American public is going to be fine with it.” He also blithely defended the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth defamation of Kerry’s sterling Vietnam War record. “I think the Swift boat ads were part of that dialogue,” he said in a 2005 PBS “Frontline” documentary, “but it was more important in that they pointed out something about John Kerry, which is, all this guy’s talking about is his Vietnam record. What does that have to do with the war on terror?”…”

www.salon.com

Matthew Dowd's not-so-miraculous conversion - Salon.com

Is the former Bush pollster a true believer turned disillusioned critic, or was he an opportunist from the get-go?
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Dowd is an opportunist, though.
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According to Wikipedia, whatever that is worth, he was a Democrat for all but 8 years of his life. I'm not saying he's not an opportunist, but...
 
ZenMode said:
Don't trust WSJ to verify information before going public?
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Maybe don't trust anonymous trumper law enforcement sources.
www.rawstory.com

'Not verified': Senior official questions reporting on Kirk shooter's political leanings

Federal law enforcement officials disputed a report about engraved messages allegedly found on ammunition inside the rifle believed to have been used to kill Charlie Kirk.The Wall Street Journal reported that a preliminary internal report and a source familiar with the investigation said...
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ZenMode said:
I think using the power of the government to force people to get vaccinated is blatantly authoritarian.

Last I checked, we all had a choice to get vaccinated.
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Are you still this f****** stupid?

Yes, you have a right to not get vaccinated. You do not have the right to endanger the lives of your coworkers.

You have the right to smoke cigarettes.You don't have the right to smoke cigarettes in restaurants because it endangers the health of everyone around you.

OSHA
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Safety and
Health
Administration
 
Calheel said:
But then why take it with you from the roof? The odds that they wouldn’t find it in the woods is incredibly low. Why take the risk of jumping off the roof with the gun only to leave it in the woods? If that were the plan, just leave the gun on the roof.
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Especially the "wrapped in towel" part. I could see using the woods as a momentary stop during your sprint away to wipe my away prints, and ditch it print-less knowing it would be found eventually. But why not stuff the towel back in your backpack and cover the gun with sticks and leaves instead of a towel? He had an escape route, it seems this was probably intentional.

Also shooter could've kept the rifle with him til the woods (with several more bullets loaded) for defense against potential coppers.
 
gregh1 said:
Especially the "wrapped in towel" part. I could see using the woods as a momentary stop during your sprint away to wipe my away prints, and ditch it print-less knowing it would be found eventually. But why not stuff the towel back in your backpack and cover the gun with sticks and leaves instead of a towel? He had an escape route, it seems this was probably intentional.

Also shooter could've kept the rifle with him til the woods (with several more bullets loaded) for defense against potential coppers.
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That is why I am skeptical that the rifle in the woods is the murder weapon. It could be. It also could be someone else’s gun. They like guns in Utah. On the other hand, I can’t imagine there are too many guns lying around in the woods in Utah.
 
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