The Charlie Kirk Thread

nycfan said:
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THIS is the big story here. Kirk's death is a tragic story and I'm very glad his killer has been caught and will be punished, but that story PALES in comparison to statements like this from a man who sits right next to the Oval Office and has more power than pretty much anyone in the nation right now.

I don't care what random people say in response to Kirk's death. I wouldn't even care much if Miller said something like this at a time when Pubs were out of power. But I do care what people in positions of power say about Kirk's death. And I REALLY care what people like Miller, who have extraordinary, unprecedented power to upend the guardrails of our democracy, have to say about it.

We are in this bizarre world where the right wing recoils from comparisons to the Nazis and blames that rhetoric for Kirk's shooting, but conservatives themselves then invoke the Reichstag Fire immediately after Kirk's death, and the most powerful people in the country then AMPLIFY the Reichstag Fire rhetoric. Statements like this are completely unacceptable, but not a single person on the right will hold Miller to account for it.
 
lightbluenc said:
The inscriptions of memes are pretty obvious toxic groyper crap. That stuff really accelerated during covid, when an already online generation became even more online. Wouldn't be shocked if this kid also tried starting his own podcast, stream or discord channel full of this junk.
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So this guy was right....

Seems like the groyper thing is less about ideology and much more a club for social outcasts and low IQ - high psychopathy paranoid young men

Heelsandeers said:
He was apparently hated by far-right extremist groups. Says this twitter account (longer thread on it)

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I suspect that Tyler Robinson flirted with groyper and then realized what that movement was all about. Using online memes is hardly limited to the right wing.

Is that "If you read this you are gay LMAO" post on some social media him?
 
lawtig02 said:
THIS is the big story here. Kirk's death is a tragic story and I'm very glad his killer has been caught and will be punished, but that story PALES in comparison to statements like this from a man who sits right next to the Oval Office and has more power than pretty much anyone in the nation right now.

I don't care what random people say in response to Kirk's death. I wouldn't even care much if Miller said something like this at a time when Pubs were out of power. But I do care what people in positions of power say about Kirk's death. And I REALLY care what people like Miller, who have extraordinary, unprecedented power to upend the guardrails of our democracy, have to say about it.

We are in this bizarre world where the right wing recoils from comparisons to the Nazis and blames that rhetoric for Kirk's shooting, but conservatives themselves then invoke the Reichstag Fire immediately after Kirk's death, and the most powerful people in the country then AMPLIFY the Reichstag Fire rhetoric. Statements like this are completely unacceptable, but not a single person on the right will hold Miller to account for it.
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exactly.

"bUt tHe DeMs aRe JuSt aS bAd!!1!!!" - zenmode
 
Just saw a pick up truck (typical sort) with “I am Charlie Kirk” scrawled across the front.
Sorry. I know the poor guy isn’t even cold yet, but I had to laugh.
The guy I was walking with said: “See? I told you it was fake news… Charlie just drove past us!”
 
Apparently Nick Fuentes hated Charlie Kirk.
  • Ideological divide: Before Kirk's death, he and Fuentes had a public and antagonistic relationship. Despite espousing far-right views himself, Kirk was frequently attacked by Fuentes and his "groyper" followers for not being radical enough.
  • "Groyper Wars": In 2019, Fuentes's supporters disrupted Kirk's campus events, accusing him of being a "gatekeeper" who watered down the populist message of the MAGA movement.
  • White nationalist rhetoric: The two parted ways largely because of Fuentes's embrace of explicitly white nationalist, antisemitic, and homophobic rhetoric, which was deemed too extreme for Kirk's attempt to operate within the mainstream conservative movement.
 
Heelsandeers said:
So this guy was right....

Seems like the groyper thing is less about ideology and much more a club for social outcasts and low IQ - high psychopathy paranoid young men
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groypers are absolutely an ideology. Nick Fuentes is an out-and-out white Christian supremacist who has broken from the rest of his ilk because his antisemitism is so strong that he can't bring himself to support Israel. there are some one-minute clips of him that circulate among liberals and the left because he's criticizing israel, but anybody who is actually in his spaces knows who he is and who they are.
 
theel4life said:
Apparently Nick Fuentes hated Charlie Kirk.
  • Ideological divide: Before Kirk's death, he and Fuentes had a public and antagonistic relationship. Despite espousing far-right views himself, Kirk was frequently attacked by Fuentes and his "groyper" followers for not being radical enough.
  • "Groyper Wars": In 2019, Fuentes's supporters disrupted Kirk's campus events, accusing him of being a "gatekeeper" who watered down the populist message of the MAGA movement.
  • White nationalist rhetoric: The two parted ways largely because of Fuentes's embrace of explicitly white nationalist, antisemitic, and homophobic rhetoric, which was deemed too extreme for Kirk's attempt to operate within the mainstream conservative movement.
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Save yourself the trouble--the shooter is a terminally online kid with leftwing "anti-fascist" positions. Besides the bullet casings, he told his friends/family that he reviled Kirk's message of "hate."
 
breepf said:
Save yourself the trouble--the shooter is a terminally online kid with leftwing "anti-fascist" positions. Besides the bullet casings, he told his friends/family that he reviled Kirk's message of "hate."
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The Bella ciao and three arrows reference and "fascist" definitely points toward Antifa.
 
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Whatever this kid's exact ideology turns out to be (and it may be a little incoherent) it's clear that he was hyper online. If nothing else comes from this maybe this can help us have a much-needed reckoning about how toxic online spaces are and how they incentivize and promote extremist rhetoric and action. Social media and other online spaces are rotting out kids' brains.
 
akillesheel said:
groypers are absolutely an ideology. Nick Fuentes is an out-and-out white Christian supremacist who has broken from the rest of his ilk because his antisemitism is so strong that he can't bring himself to support Israel. there are some one-minute clips of him that circulate among liberals and the left because he's criticizing israel, but anybody who is actually in his spaces knows who he is and who they are.
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I get who Fuentes is and at the core it being an alt-right antisemitic group

It just feels like a lot of mentally ill people with contradictory and difficult to decipher beliefs fall into these spaces
 
Hopefully we never have to hear conservatives lecture about how there should be no limits on edgy jokes, and how people losing their jobs and getting "canceled" for wild comments online is bad. The second it benefited them they became hypocrites that couldn't live their raps

Next time just admit you want to be able to say whatever you want about black people, immigrants, and trans people with impunity, and miss us with the self proclaimed principles
 
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