The Charlie Kirk Thread

heelinhell said:
so looking at that mug shot, I am certain he is not transgender. We will need more info to see whether he is BLM, Antifa, LGBTQ, atheist, Hamas, or a supporter of AOC.
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Or a former member of the USMNT.

Am I imagining things or does he look like Landon Donovan in that mug shot?
 
Trump's anti-Democrat rhetoric is increasingly extreme today ... but he clearly sees the Kirk assassination as tightening GOP/MAGA bonds for now.

"...“There is something wrong with them,” Trump said about Democrats in a rare in-studio “Fox and Friends” interview. “If you gave them every dream right now ... they want to give away money to this or that and destroy the country. If you gave them every dream, they would not vote for it.”

“Don’t even bother dealing with them,” he added. “We will get it through because the Republicans are sticking together for the first time in a long time.”

... “Here is the problem,” Trump quickly added, “the Democrats have: They’re sick. There is something wrong with them. Schumer is at end of the rope.” ..."

 
mpaer said:
Sothe kid is bright-gets a full ride to College-drops out at around 18
Kind of the classic age for schizophrenia to kick in...............
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That kind of reminds me of someone I used to know (not the killing part of this whole thing). I went to high school with a guy who was super bright, an excellent student, well-liked. and a really good guy. After his junior year he left the school we went to, a private school, to attend public school. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but it seemed odd at the time that he decided to switch schools at that point in in his academic career. Then late in his senior year, during spring semester, he dropped out of school altogether. That was really surprising considering how smart he was and how close he was to graduating. At some point after that, he attempted suicide. He was subsequently diagnosed with schizophrenia.

The last I knew of him, he was doing well on medication and was capable of living on his own (but with a great deal of family involvement). That was over 20 years ago, though. I hope he’s still doing well. I thought very highly of him.
 
Based on available information about the casings, I would guess that he does hold "anti-fascist" political positions. I'd also guess that he is very online.

Moving forward, my guess is that red state legislatures are going to ignore the "online" part of the problem and instead use the killing to intervene in university curricula on the grounds that professors (humanities professors in particular) were responsible for radicalizing this otherwise "normal" gun-loving white Mormon.
 
Icky Mettle said:
That kind of reminds me of someone I used to know (not the killing part of this whole thing). I went to high school with a guy who was super bright, an excellent student, well-liked. and a really good guy. After his junior year he left the school we went to, a private school, to attend public school. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but it seemed odd at the time that he decided to switch schools at that point in in his academic career. Then late in his senior year, during spring semester, he dropped out of school altogether. That was really surprising considering how smart he was and how close he was to graduating. At some point after that, he attempted suicide. He was subsequently diagnosed with schizophrenia.

The last I knew of him, he was doing well on medication and was capable of living on his own (but with a great deal of family involvement). That was over 20 years ago, though. I hope he’s still doing well. I thought very highly of him.
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One of the hardest things about being a teacher is watching, in consecutive years, the lights of two of the brightest (all possible meanings of the word) students that I have taught dimmed by schizophrenia.
 
ZenMode said:
How does that work? If any member of the "right" celebrates political violence, then all Republicans, or anyone who can be considered to be on the "right", should expect they might be killed and it's ok?
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How about we start with the guy who was literally celebrating political violence. Who answered a question "when do we get to use the guns" with "don't say that, it's what they want you to say."

I'm completely OK with how it went down. Terrible person dead. Another person is going to be punished for his actions. World is a better place for it.
 
SnoopRob said:
So, based on the bullet markings, we’re going to be blaming this one on video games?

Oscar The Grouch Idk GIF by Sesame Street
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There is a correlation vs. causation discussion to be had about video game culture.

People who are mentally ill and have social relationship challenges are attracted to the Discord/gaming community -- as a way to have community without the IRL challenges. Thus, one would expect a lot of anti-social behavior from a community that is disproportionally mentally ill.
 
ZenMode said:
Banning smoking in public areas is not the same as a government forcing you to be injected with something.

It's really pretty amazing to see how many people support the idea of the government forcing basically every employed person in the country to get vaccinated and not even blink an eye.
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I can't believe that people don't think the government should have that right in the face of a novel virus killing millions of people. I think people could reasonably debate at what point the risk to the public outweighs the harms of government compulsion, and people have had that debate regarding COVID, but the idea that there isn't a point at which the government could compel us all to get vaccinated seems crazy to me.

Every state government in the country (soon to exclude Florida - hooray!) requires every child that attends public school to get a number of vaccines. I really fail to see how that's much different in scope than compelling adults to get them. It's not like the government was forcing employers to bear the costs of vaccinating their employees, or even forcing the employees to bear the cost.

This is what the Supreme Court said about vaccine mandates 120 years ago:


There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others. This court has more than once recognized it as a fundamental principle that persons and property are subjected to all kinds of restraints and burdens in order to secure the general comfort, health, and prosperity of the state; of the perfect right of the legislature to do which no question ever was, or upon acknowledged general principles ever can be, made, so far as natural persons are concerned.

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Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
So you spent all of that time coming up with a grand total of zero examples of Biden inciting violence. Just as I thought.

As someone else said, you reap what you sow. When the right, starting with the leader of the GOP, openly encourages political violence, they lose the right to play the victim.
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Truth
 
Batt Boy said:
Explains to a large degree why we lost the election. Both that folks don't know how many people are looking for that content and that the Left has no equivalent.
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bassydude77 said:
I've been saying this since the election. The left is not connect with a large portion of the general public. As long as a large percentage of Americans are getting their "news" from TikTok, X, and Charlie Kirk/ Joe Rogan manosphere podcasts, the left doesn't stand a chance. Dems have to figure out a) what their message is and b) how to reach people where they are.
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I think the Democratic party is fundamentally hostile to a large percentage of things young men in particular, and low information voters, find compelling. So it's actually impossible to produce a "Joe Rogan of the left"

And it isn't just white dudes like Kirk and Rogan producing this stuff. A lot of popular platforms from people whom you might expect to vote Dem at the ballot box, all feeding their audience anti-liberal stuff

But yes, the broader Left has zero answer in this space. That's not to say they can't/don't need to do a better job of cutting through the noise where they can
 
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