The Charlie Kirk Thread

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Yeah, this is really bad on every level. Say what you will about his views, but he has a family, and young kids, I assume. As a dad of young kids, this is what I think of first and foremost. Really hope he'll be ok, even though I fully expect him to keep fanning the flames if he actually does make it....
 
For years and years, the right-wing has been calling the left traitors, said they were intentionally destroying America, spread noxious conspiracy theories and have talked at length and repeatedly to "second amendment solutions." They fucking pose with AR-15s for Christmas and haven't found a shooting perp they didn't like, so long as he killed liberals.

For most of my life, the left did not go along with these framings. Now that we have a terror state under Trump, it would be a lie to turn the rhetoric down. They literally are fascists, all of them. They talk like fascists, they act like fascists -- everything is Fuhrer style government.

So of course you would blame both sides.

It is never going to stop until the GOP is made to feel consequences for it. It is no accident that their messaging has been laden with violence for years; it's literally all they have because they have no actual ideas except authoritarianism. They will return to the messaging anew, guaranteed. It's structural within the party.
I blame both sides because both sides are at fault. Remember years ago when liberals ran an ad showing Paul Ryan (?) throwing an old lady off a cliff because he wanted to reform Medicare? You don't think that Dems generalizing about Republicans as all racist, homophobe, transphone, neo Nazi, white supremacists, etc matters?

All Trump's rise to power has done is make the rhetoric 10x worse on the left, starting early on with a Dem holding the severed head of Trump in a pic.
 

To David French's points, this is the problem with MAGA discrediting elections through baseless fraud claims and discrediting the courts through political machinations that lead to ideologues, rather than jurists, on the bench. When people are told "act through the ballot box and the courts" but then watch a strongman corrupt both, it just makes everyone more cynical (and makes people disinclined to listen to these sorts of "rule of law" morality pleas by people like French). Unfortunately I think incidents like this one are going to push us further towards authoritarianism and political violence, rather than away from it.
 
The "left" didn't shoot anyone or advocate for anyone to be shot or that killings related to gun violence were just a part of life to be accepted if we have the 2nd Amendment
Nope, the left is just fine and dandy with stabbing people on trains. The left has absolute zero credibility with respect to crime.
Yeah that was a million times worse than this. Where was the outrage then?
It is hiding with all the outrage displayed by the burning and riots from GF.
 
Glenn Beck was just told that Charlie "has a pulse." Beck's daughter was in the tent with him.
 
Nope, the left is just fine and dandy with stabbing people on trains. The left has absolute zero credibility with respect to crime.

It is hiding with all the outrage displayed by the burning and riots from GF.
You sir, are a fucking idiot.

Nobody is ok with people being stabbed on trains, planes, or automobiles.

Your wide swath of blame for the ills of this society is so off base that it is mind numbing. You are part of the problem with what is wrong with the US, and not just b/c of "R" or "D" but because of what apparently motivates you. And that is quite obviously a whole lotta HATE
 
This type of tick-tock of violent acts makes my stomach churn. I have too much ability to imagine the in vivo circumstance, and given the number of trauma horror stories I've read and heard straight from the victims, I also have too much context to shut-off the imagination. I get nauseous. I am nauseous.


I watched the video. Heard the last part of that exchange. Thought that his last words before being hit were about gang violence.

I too am nauseous.
 
I blame both sides because both sides are at fault. Remember years ago when liberals ran an ad showing Paul Ryan (?) throwing an old lady off a cliff because he wanted to reform Medicare? You don't think that Dems generalizing about Republicans as all racist, homophobe, transphone, neo Nazi, white supremacists, etc matters?

All Trump's rise to power has done is make the rhetoric 10x worse on the left, starting early on with a Dem holding the severed head of Trump in a pic.
The Kathy Griffin incident you're referencing (which was really stupid and worthy of condemnation) was years after the Tea Party and related movements had started to seriously escalate the tone of rhetoric against politicians and people on the left. And a couple years after Dylan Roof, who was radicalized by that sort of rhetoric, murdered his victims. I'm not gong to defend Griffin or anyone on the left who advocate for political violence about the right. I hope whoever shot Kirk is swiftly captured, tried, and if convicted sentenced accordingly. But there is no debate as to which side is more aggressive and violent with its rhetoric.

And as I have said, and you and others have ignored, umpteen times, the biggest difference is that the radicals on the right are in charge of the party (and staffing the Trump admin) while the radicals on the left are a much less powerful fringe element.
 
I think that they are just more likely to report on a single source as opposed to knowing first.
they have a really broad network of morgue officials on their tip payout rolls.
 
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