The Charlie Kirk Thread

gregh1 said:
Good, maybe something positive will come from this. Maybe them and people like Ben Shapiro and all these other pot-stirring, vitriolic, grifting dividers will calm down their rhetoric and ponder the FAFO that happened yesterday.
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Would be nice, but I think the historic reaction is less to shake hands and more to close the fist tighter.
 
Other than being white how is the woman murdered in Charlotte related to this at all? I’m assuming it’s racism but the way the right has latched on to her has been really weird
 
rodoheel said:
As to the first point: that was just the most extreme example. You can find many other examples of highly powerful and influential MAGA media and political figures, many of whom are directly connected to the Trump admin (Laura Loomer. Sean Davis, Jesse Watters, etc) calling for the repression or presecution of the political left in response to this. Trump's own public statement about Charlie Kirk vowed retribution against the left for the killing. These statements are all right out in the open.
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Mostly agree.
rodoheel said:
As to the second point - this is where I have to imagine that your professed ignorance is trolling rather than naivete. The entire trajectory of the second Trump admin has been to claim authoritarian power to the executive that no president has ever claimed before. He has, among other things, claimed the right to unilaterally end birthright citizenship, blown up a ship in international waters with no authority other than his own, declared that he may almost any government employees (including those over which he statutorily does not have authority) without justification, clamed the right to deploy the national guard in states to perform policing work, claimed the right to compel states to change their policies for running elections (contrary to what the constitution says), extorted concessions from private universities by unilaterally withholding research money that was already promised, and extorted and threatened to prosecute private law firms and lawyers for nothing more than being or representing his political opponents. I know you know about all of that, and about all of the many other examples I have named. These are all pretty obviously authoritarian things - done at the sole authority and behest of Trump, that he claims to have without restraint from any other branch of the government.

Honestly, do you even know what "authoritarianism" means?
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No doubt that he has tested the limits of executive power, more so than any previous president that I can think of. Keep in mind that Biden tried to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt and tried to leverage OSHA to force 80 million people to get the Covid vax.

He (Trump) has also followed the final rulings of SCOTUS. He claimed an inability to get Abrego Garcia back from Venezuela...but suddenly got him back when order to. He didn't force the NG on Chicago as many feared. He's misused emergency powers to accomplish what he wants to do, but that is a flaw in how the powers are granted. I expect to see Congress to take action to limit emergency and other powers.

Still, in the end, there's no reason to believe he's going to go all Hitler in the country.
 
gregh1 said:
TPUSA/Kirk had to denounce white supremacy because so many things he said and platformed hinted at white supremacy, other racism and things beloved by white supremacists ("great replacement theory", christian nationalism, misogency, islamaphobia etc). But to not be cancelled entirely (and rejected from universities) he had to say "i'm not racist" and "white supremacists are wrong". Him overtly stating this riled up neo-nazies.
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You see, having not known much at all about this guy 24 hours ago… I’m learning more and more about him. If all I’ve read, so far is true - let the speculation begin.
1) it was a left wing nut job, trying to shut him up
2) it was Trump or JD Vance to try and stir the pot and bring about authoritarian rule in all the streets, in other words create their own Reichstag moment.
3) it was a racist, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, who wanted to shut him up for not continuing to espouse their points of view.
4) it was a fan who was shooting off a round in celebration, and one got away.
5) None of the above
6) A combination of #2 and #3
7) Biden did it
8) 2 Black dudes riding around in a Caprice with one in the trunk
 
I like how in the span of two hours from "We were able to track them from the moment they went on campus and we have good video of him and we are positive we are going identify them" to release of a blurry "person of interest" photo of someone wearing large glasses and posting $100,000 reward for info.

sure shook that bravado off quickly
 
Calheel said:
If he shot from 200 meters away, that would give him plenty of time to make a getaway. I'm betting he used a hat and sunglasses and broke the rifle down into a duffle bag. We should have security video clip on the news in the next 30 minutes or so if the guy is still on the loose.
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Calheel said:
I said hat and sunglasses. And that the police would release the picture to help find the suspect (although I gave the police too much credit by saying it would be in 30 minutes)
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It wasn't the hat and sunglasses that gave me pause. It was the detachable rifle in the duffle bag. I mean, maybe in a suitcase would have been even more movie, but I can see Jean Reno taking apart his gun and stashing it after making a hit.

And again, I wasn't trying to criticize you. I don't know shit about guns and what is and isn't available/feasible.
 
When I told my wife that Charlie Kirk had been assassinated, she had no idea who I was talking about.

After Lee Harvey Oswald was killed, I complained to my father about the newspapers using the term assassinated to describe his killing. My father explained to me that the term assassinated isn't related to my or anyone else's personal opinion of the person killed, but to the overall impact of the violent killing on society.

This assassination of Charlie Kirk has the potential to have a larger impact on American politics than the attempted assassination of President Trump on the eve of the Republican National Convention in 2024.
 
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ZenMode said:
Mostly agree.

No doubt that he has tested the limits of executive power, more so than any previous president that I can think of. Keep in mind that Biden tried to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt and tried to leverage OSHA to force 80 million people to get the Covid vax.
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He most certainly did not try to unilaterally forgive all student loan debt. First, it was, what, $10K per person? $15K? Second, he was pursuing authorization specifically given to him by Congress, and not just in some bullshit "emergency" form. Third, he had his agencies follow the law when crafting the policies.

The use of OSHA was similarly justified. OSHA is about creating safe workspaces. Workspaces with potentially deadly viruses floating around are not particularly safe. That some people didn't want to obey the mandate is of little moment. There are few OSHA mandates that people love. That's why they have to be mandates.
 
altmin said:
MSNBC reporting that gop members are freaking out that they are next, wanting more security etc.

"fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering..."
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Honestly do not blame them. I'm sure plenty of democratic politicians feel the exact same way and at this point, it seems like they have something to fear.
 
superrific said:
It wasn't the hat and sunglasses that gave me pause. It was the detachable rifle in the duffle bag. I mean, maybe in a suitcase would have been even more movie, but I can see Jean Reno taking apart his gun and stashing it after making a hit.

And again, I wasn't trying to criticize you. I don't know shit about guns and what is and isn't available/feasible.
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By way of the gun, if it was an AR or similar, it only has a couple of pins holding together the major components that are easy to remove and break it down small enough to fit in a backpack. Would take less than 30 seconds to break down and reassemble, especially if it also had a collapsible buttstock.

If it was the bolt action hunting rifle described in the earlier post, it would be impossible to break down to backpack size, which would suggest prepositioning the gun on the roof at another time, but seems odd that there wouldn’t be a pic of the rifle coming down the stairs since it was not left at the scene.

The selective release of info and the initial reluctance to post a pic when they knew who the person of interest was is making a lot of things highly suspect.
 
Unc12003 said:
Other than being white how is the woman murdered in Charlotte related to this at all? I’m assuming it’s racism but the way the right has latched on to her has been really weird
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Especially since she was Ukrainian. The exact people that Loomer and others want to send back to the war zone.
 
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